Liberals are claiming that Trump was being a bully and that this won't win him any voters. According to Markos and others, the debate was an "ugly draw" that won't move the needle much. 538 suggesting that it might actually reduce voter turnout, which would be good for Trump and bad for Democrats overall. Many Biden supporters are suggesting Biden drop out of all the next debates..
Conservatives are arguing that Chris Wallace became the true Trump debate partner, attempting to basically use his position of moderator to make points and challenge Trump when Biden didn't. Conservatives wonder out loud if it matters if Joe drops out of the next debates or not, because Trump will still have a debate, even if it's just him and a moderator.
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| Don't judge this as a debate. It was a street fight! |
From a personal standpoint, in many ways I think both candidates might have been better than feared but not as good as they hoped. The debate was more political mud-wrestling than a classic intellectual debate, and that obviously was one person's plan and what the other wanted to avoid.
As I predicted, Trump was Trump was Trump was Trump, but he actually did seem very prepared, did his homework, and held up well working through debate topics that seemed purposely designed to keep him on his heels. Probably the best topic for Trump was the first topic regarding the Supreme Court nomination. Quoting Ginsburg herself regarding being President for four years and suggesting that "elections have consequences" while explaining the obvious (that Democrats would have done the same thing) was far more effective than Biden's politically motivated talking point. Moreover, the first few minutes of the debate are always the most watched. On the flip side Trump being Trump means that he comes across as over the top and a bully. Personally I think he could have dialed it back a bit and let Biden ramble a little more.
Biden had more than his share of rough moments and he really wasn't the calming influence that his team would have probably liked to have seen. Between odd laughter and intermittent scowling, along with his own interruptions and name-calling, Biden did actually end up down in the mud with Trump. Obviously that is not the fight he wanted, because Trump will beat you with experience when it comes to mud slinging and who can be more obnoxious. That being said, there were no complete meltdowns, and he seemed reasonably aware of where things were going. I would have liked to have seen Wallace allow Biden to defend himself. I don't believe that damsel in distress vibe is a good one for a Presidential Candidate.
Bottom Line: Trump was Trump and turned things into a circus. This seemed to have pissed off more liberals than conservatives, which was probably his point. Wallace just furthered his reputation as having always been a closet liberal who is now openly out of the closet. He will take a lot of flack for his performance, from both sides. But I am not sure that the moderator being openly pro-Biden helps Biden with voters and I am not sure if Trump arguing with Wallace helped Trump.
At the end of the day I don't believe there was a "clear" winner of the debate itself. You are going to like the talking points of the person you already like. But as a matter of true effectiveness in controlling the fight (ring control as it were) I would say Trump was a clear winner in those regards. He turned it into what he wanted it to be. Whether that helps very much is the big question.
I will say that of the few actual points being made, Trump appeared to have an upper hand of bringing up things that are not just talking points. On the flip side Joe was able to provide some portions of some of his talking points uninterrupted (or maybe I just imagined that). But I am not convinced that Biden showed himself to be the calming alternative to chaos. In some ways, by taking the bait and engaging the fight at times and at times looking to Wallace for help, he came out looking like a weaker of the two fighters.
Because let's fact the fact. It was a street fight, not a debate.
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Political Wire
Instant Poll Finds Biden Won Tonight’s Debate
September 29, 2020 at 11:21 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
A CBS News instant poll finds 48% think Joe Biden won tonight’s debate, 41% think Donald Trump won and 10% think it was a tie.
Chris Wallace was deficient in one thing. He should earlier on absolutely have insisted on NO interruptions during each persons two minutes of time.
Biden would have looked even better then.
Note how many times Biden looked at the camera right into the eyes of the American electorate, as if he cared for our people.
Trump never did. He was almost always talking to and arguing with either Biden (mostly) or Wallace (some).
I just read Ch's analysis.
If Chris Wallace had absolutely insisted that both speakers allow the other to speak WITHOUT ANY INTERRUPTIONS during those two minutes, Biden would definitely be the clear winner in this debate, and I think he was anyway.
But then you in the right would have castigated Wallace for not letting Trump interrupt.
I think the future moderator(s?) will insist on this, and Biden will again be the clear winner.
Trump thought he could get away with bullying Biden without restraint.
To Wallace's credit, he did not allow that as much as Trump would have liked.
But Biden too should have been held to the two minute rule.
In future debates, if there are any, that rule should be strictly enforced and strictly observed:
That will advantage Biden.
Well reverend
then that is quite the improvement for Trump. In 2016 CNN polling was 62-27 for Clinton in the first debate, YouGov had it 57-30, Politico had it 49-26, and Reuters had it 56-26.
I'll quote Nathaniel Rakich over at 538
"This debate was a mess. I doubt that it changed anyone’s mind, and I have a hard time seeing how anyone learned anything new from it. In general, Trump dominated tonight, both for good and bad reasons for him. "
Or Nate Silver:
I’m not 100 percent sure I buy the “this was the worst debate ever” framing. Biden wasn’t especially sharp, particularly in the first 30 minutes of the debate. But he was … fine (snip) He wasn’t the guy who needed a win, since he’s ahead in the polls.
I guess, Ch, it will be the polling that will tell us best who won this one.
There is one big difference between now and the
Clinton vs Trump debate..
I think you will see that MANY more people were watching this one, and MANY more people are committed to one of the candidates winning and the other candidate losing.
Trump just defeated himself.
The cross-talk grew more contentious, until Biden said, “Folks, do you have any idea what this clown’s doing?”
'Proud Boys - Stand back, stand by' he said that after he was asked to condemn racism and white supremacist!
Also, voting is already taking place, mostly on the Dem side. I expect my own ballot to arrive in a day or two here in IL, and I will immediately fill it out and put it in a drop box.
Scott, Trump was not prepared.
Trump being Trump hasn't changed his mind, and he didn't get a single undecided voter.
Biden was steady and strong, Trump was a bully.
Interrupting Joe Biden nearly every time he spoke, President Trump made little attempt to reassure swing voters about his leadership. Mr. Biden hit back: “This is so unpresidential.”
The Biden campaign raised a huge amount of money
Biden looked like a President
Daily Beast
Proud Boys Rally After Trump Debate Defense: ’
‘STAND BACK AND STAND BY’
Given the chance to finally explicitly condemn right-wing extremism, Trump insisted, “This is a left-wing problem” and gave a shout-out to the Proud Boys.
Sep. 29, 2020 11:50PM ET
President Donald Trump refused to condemn right-wing extremist groups when put on the spot during a segment about Black Lives Matter protests during the first presidential debate.
“I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. I’m willing to do anything, I want to see peace,” Trump said in Cleveland.
“Well, then do it sir,” Fox News moderator Chris Wallace replied, giving the president an ample opening to disavow such violent militias.
“Who would you like me to condemn? The Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by.
But I’ll tell you what, I’ll tell you what.
Somebody’s gotta do something about antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem, this is a left-wing problem,” Trump said.
Democratic nominee Joe Biden then stepped in with an attempt to correct his opponent on stage.
“Antifa is an idea, not an organization,” he said, before Trump cut in.
“You have to be kidding,” the president scoffed.
The former vice president was referencing comments made by FBI director Chris Wray, who said earlier this month during testimony that antifa is “not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology.” Wray also testified that white supremacist violence makes up the lion’s share of the U.S. domestic terrorism threat.
Outside of the debate, Proud Boys leader Joe Biggs saw Trump’s remarks as permission to “fuck up” the group’s foes.
“Trump basically said to go fuck them up!” Biggs wrote on Parler, an alternative social media network that courts conservatives. “This makes me so happy.”
Other Proud Boys leaders posted on Parler and Telegram, another social network popular with far-right figures banned, that they would follow Trump’s request to “stand down and stand by.”
“I will stand down sir!!!” Proud Boys national chairman Enrique Tarrio wrote on Parler.
“Standing by sir. So Proud of my guys right now.”
Daryl Johnson, a former Department of Homeland Security intelligence analyst who in 2009 warned of the growing threat of far-right militias, told The Daily Beast that “within the context of Trump’s statements which insinuate future voter fraud, a rigged election, etc., [it] sounds like a subtle endorsement of future use of violence by the Proud Boys. Again, another statement by the president that fans the flames of fear and seems to support violent far right groups, rather than condemn them.”
Trump also declined to pledge to accept the outcome of the election. Asked if he would instruct his followers to react calmly, he said he wanted them to go to the polls and “watch” for any fraud.
The New York times reported
Mr. Trump declined to condemn white supremacy and right-wing extremist groups when prompted by Mr. Wallace and Mr. Biden. When Mr. Wallace asked him whether he would be willing to do so, Mr. Trump replied, “Sure,” and asked the two men to name a group they would like him to denounce.
But when Mr. Biden named the Proud Boys, a far-right group, Mr. Trump did not do so and even suggested they be at the ready.
“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” the president said, before pivoting to say, “Somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.”
Mr. Trump’s volcanic performance appeared to be the gambit of a president seeking to tarnish his opponent by any means available, unbounded by norms of accuracy and decorum and unguided by a calculated sense of how to sway the electorate or assuage voters’ reservations about his leadership.
In an election marked by sharply defined and stubbornly stable opinions about both candidates, the president’s conduct was the equivalent of pulling the pin on a hand grenade and hoping that the ensuing explosion would harm the other candidate more.
But Mr. Trump made no effort to address his most obvious political vulnerabilities, from his mismanagement of the pandemic to his refusal to condemn right-wing extremism, and it was not clear that he did anything over the course of the evening to appeal to voters who have deeply disliked him, including those who reluctantly supported him four years ago. Rather than focus on those voters, he sought to undercut confidence in the act of voting itself, making claims about fraud while offering little evidence.
Instant Polls Finds Biden Won Tonight’s Debate
A CBS News instant poll finds 48% think Joe Biden won tonight’s debate, 41% think Donald Trump won and 10% think it was a tie.
A CNN instant poll finds Biden won, 60% to 28%.
WALLACE: "Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?"
TRUMP: "Sure. I'm willing to do that."
WALLACE: "Go ahead, sir."
TRUMP: "I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing. Not from the right wing."
WALLACE: "What are you saying?"
TRUMP: "I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace."
WALLACE: "Then do it, sir. Say it."
TRUMP: "What do you want to call them. Give me a name. Who do you want me to condemn?"
WALLACE: "White supremacists and right -- "
BIDEN: "Proud Boys."
TRUMP: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what. Somebody has to do something about antifa and the left. This is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem."
Trump mayhem takes over first debate
Opinion by DAVID SIDERS
09/29/2020 06:44 PM EDT
Updated: 09/30/2020 12:01 AM EDT
The mayhem Donald Trump subjected Americans to on Tuesday might have helped him if Joe Biden had disintegrated.
Biden didn’t.
Trump — and viewers everywhere — just left the night worse off for having sat through the whole, weird thing.
The president interrupted and bullied. Biden called the president a “clown.” Chris Wallace, the moderator, despaired.
“The country would be better served,” the veteran journalist said to Trump, “if we allow both people to speak with fewer interruptions.”
The result was a circus that will be viewed as one of the strangest confrontations in modern presidential history.
At one point, when Wallace asked Trump, as he did repeatedly, to let Biden finish one of his answers, Biden responded, “He doesn’t know how to do that.”
The debate was unwatchable, in some ways a fitting conclusion to a day that began with Republicans peddling conspiracy theories about Biden wearing an earpiece.
He wasn’t, Biden's campaign says. Nor was there any evidence, despite Trump’s suggestions, that Biden was on drugs.
What is clear – just as much after the debate as before it— is that Biden is ahead in this race and Trump will leave the debate still desperate for something to pull him down.
He is running out of time, with early voting already underway in some states and few voters still undecided.
Here are the the takeaways:
Biden stood his ground
Trump’s nonstop interruptions might have worked had the bulldozing made Biden look small.
It didn’t. Instead, it served to align Biden with Wallace — and through the moderator, viewers at home. Trump labored to talk over them both.
The effect of the chaos was that Biden could do little affirmatively to make his case for president. But as the frontrunner, the onus was not on him to.
Instead, he stood in for the onslaught, at times laughing Trump off, at others belittling him.
“You’re the worst president America has ever had,” Biden said. “Come on.”
Trump had to know that Biden would be more difficult to flatten than he’d once anticipated. For months, Trump had portrayed Biden as confused and mentally “out of it,” and everyone could see right through the course correction when it came.
Biden was an “uneven” debater, Trump said Sunday — sometimes “okay,” but probably because he used performance enhancing drugs. Before the debate, insinuating the presence of an earpiece (a claim Biden’s campaign denied), Trump’s advisers asked for a pre-debate inspection of Biden’s ears.
It was too late. Trump pushed expectations for Biden so low that his supporters turned on their televisions expecting to see Biden — teleprompter-less — collapse in a puddle of his own drool. Since he didn’t, they were in for a deflating night.
The kernel of truth in Trump’s assessment of Biden is that he has, in fact, been an uneven debater. Viewers of the Democratic primary debates will remember him telling parents to keep “the record player on” at night, promising to “keep punching” at domestic violence and imploring an audience to “go to ‘Joe 30330,’” as if they could text a website.
Biden wasn’t eloquent on Tuesday. But he didn’t need to be. Americans have already grimaced through reels of Joe Biden gaffes — and they don’t seem to care. He didn’t need a standout performance, only a stable one. And because of Trump’s wildly undisciplined exercise in expectation setting – and bizarre commitment to interruption – Biden only needed to come off as sane.
A fraud ‘like you’ve never seen’
Perhaps the most revealing discussion on Tuesday did not pertain to the vote — but to what happens after.
If Tuesday was any indication, it is going to be war.
For more than four years, Trump has made repeated, baseless claims about widespread voter fraud, and he has refused to commit to a peaceful transition of power if he loses. Last week, he said he expects the contest to “end up in the Supreme Court,” as if that were normal (it isn’t; Bush v. Gore was an aberration).
But if anyone was still watching on Tuesday, Trump aired his grievances for a national audience once more.
He said he is “counting on” the Supreme Court to “look at the ballots,” with a mail-in voting system he said is a “disaster.”
“This is going to be a fraud like you’ve never seen,” Trump said.
Biden said Trump is “trying to scare people” and is “just afraid” of counting the vote.
The effect of Trump’s rhetoric may reverberate far beyond the election. Americans have already lost a significant amount of faith in the electoral system.
According to a recent Yahoo News/YouGov poll, just 22 percent of Americans expect the presidential election to be “free and fair.” This has immediate practical implications for November, with some evidence that lower trust in an electoral system results in decreased turnout.
But it also suggests that the electorate is primed for a post-election scramble over the results. Tuesday’s debate was a preview of not just of what the closing days of the campaign will offer, but also its immediate aftermath.
Trump smeared Biden. Biden smeared him right back
Trump didn’t win the presidency because people liked him. He won because voters in enough swing states loathed Hillary Clinton more.
The difficulty for Trump, as it has been since the start of the campaign, is that Biden is far less polarizing than Clinton. Before the debate, nothing that Trump has thrown at Biden has stuck — not China, not Biden’s mental acuity, not Hunter Biden’s ties to Ukraine.
Tuesday night may have represented Trump’s last best chance to drag Biden through the mud — anything to pull his favorability down.
How low could Trump go? As expected, he went to Hunter Biden — not only on Ukraine, but for his drug use. The man, Trump said, was “dishonorably discharged for cocaine use” and didn’t have a job until Biden was vice president.
Biden shot back, “None of that is true,” before saying he was “proud” of his son for overcoming his drug problem.
Like so much else in the nation’s discourse, Trump has set the rhetorical bar for debates at subterranean levels. But Trump’s most effective smear may have been the one closest to the truth — that Biden is a creature of Washington.
It’s inconvenient for Trump’s reprisal of the outsider argument he made four years ago that he is now the incumbent president. But it is not an impossible case to make. The line he repeated Tuesday was about Biden’s “47 years,” contrasting his own, relatively brief tenure in government with Biden’s.
He said Biden could have cut drug prices during his “47 year period in government,” for example.
At another point, Trump said, “Forty-seven years, you’ve done nothing.”
Biden might have learned in all those years, however, that it’s best not to be a shrinking violet. And on Tuesday, he wasn’t.
“Will you shut up, man?” Biden said once when Trump was interrupting him. “This is so unpresidential.”
Biden’s a lot harder to tear down than other, less avuncular Democrats, so Trump has spent much of the campaign trying to yoke him to softer targets.
On Tuesday, there was Trump, once again, portraying Biden a puppet of the progressive left. Biden’s health care plan, Trump said, is “socialist.” And even if Biden’s plan isn’t, he suggested the left would be pulling the strings.
None of Trump’s attacks by-proxy have worked so far, and Biden countered him forcefully on Tuesday. “I am the Democratic Party right now,” Biden said.
Scott does this bother you?
President Trump declined to condemn white supremacist groups during Tuesday night’s presidential debate, even when repeatedly pressed to do so.
In a discussion of protests and violence in cities, moderator Chris Wallace asked Trump if he was willing to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and tell them to stand down and not contribute to the violence.
“What do you want to call it?” asked Trump, seeking clarification on what he was supposed to be condemning.
“White supremacists and right-wing militia,” said Wallace.
Former Vice President Joe Biden suggested that Trump specifically condemn the Proud Boys, a group of self-described “Western chauvinists” whose members appeared alongside white supremacist groups at the 2017 Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville and have been a consistent presence during more recent clashes in Portland, Ore.
“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” Trump said, before immediately pivoting, “But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.” The Proud Boys quickly embraced the moment on Telegram, an encrypted messaging service popular among extremist groups, posting clips of the president’s comment and even circulating an image with Trump’s quote superimposed over their logo.
The Atlantic: The Bully in Chief Reemerges
Russell Berman 58 mins ago
Crosstalk and mockery dominate chaotic first debate
Biden Says 'Vote, Vote, Vote'
President Donald Trump’s grand plan to demolish Joe Biden at tonight’s first presidential debate was shockingly simple: He merely wouldn’t let the former vice president complete a sentence.
Trump talked over his Democratic challenger—and the frustrated moderator, Chris Wallace—from the opening moments of the debate, bullying Biden with a barrage of personal attacks (“There’s nothing smart about you, Joe”) and outright lies.
The night quickly devolved into a cacophony of cross talk, a barely watchable sniping match between two old men. “Gentlemen, you realize you’re both speaking at the same time,” Wallace pleaded at one point, to little effect.
But if Trump’s strategy0-—such at it was-—seemed familiar, that’s because it was the same one he deployed against Hillary Clinton four years ago, and utilizes in his near-daily sparring with reporters as president.
His default mode is to bully, and he famously hates to share the spotlight—even when the format of a one-on-one debate demands that he does.
Arguably, it’s been effective enough so far. Though Clinton was judged the winner of the 2016 debates, and rose in the polls afterward, Trump won the election. His bulldoze-the-establishment style clearly had some appeal to some voters.
The question is whether the president’s act wears as well now that he’s the incumbent, and at a moment when a deadly virus has ravaged the country and tanked the economy.
The polls suggest it does not; Biden is leading Trump nationally and in the decisive battleground states, and there are fewer undecided voters than at this time four years ago.
The former vice president has bet his entire campaign that the nation is tired of Trump’s shtick. Bowing to the COVID-19 pandemic, Biden has forgone traditional campaign rallies and door-to-door canvassing. He’s been content to let Trump hang himself, to keep the focus on an unpopular incumbent and his failures in office.
That task was trickier tonight. Biden at first seemed shaky in parrying Trump’s attempt at dominance, unsure of how to handle him. He soon decided to respond to Trump’s unrelenting attacks and interruptions with a simple smile and a laugh—a reaction that implied a shared bond with viewers at home.
“I’m not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows he’s a liar,” Biden said at one point.
Still, Trump talked—and talked, and talked, and talked. He wore down Biden and Wallace, and he might have even worn down the voters.
When the debate had already exhausted its scheduled 90 minutes, Wallace struggled to cut Trump off just so he could end it.
Perhaps that was the point of the president’s barrage, to tear down the already-rickety tradition of the presidential debates just as he’s trying to sow doubt in the integrity of the election itself. Trump’s refusal to play by the debate rules created something of a fog, preventing a coherent back-and-forth that might allow people to decide which man has the better vision for the country. And if voters tune out, Trump reasons, maybe they won’t turn out.
Yet Trump has spent months now telling anyone who will listen that the election is rigged, that mail ballots are a recipe for fraud.
For now, many Americans appear to be ignoring him. More than 1 million have already cast their ballots, and voters have flooded state election offices with requests for ballots at an unprecedented clip.
About 20 minutes into tonight’s debate, Biden finally got in a clear, uninterrupted rejoinder to the filibustering president.
“Will you shut up, man?”
In an evening devoid of much substance to that point, it was the line of the night—the exasperated plea of a man tired of being yelled at and, Biden hopes, the sentiment of a nation that’s ready to move on.
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AND THIS IS FROM FOX NEWS:
Debate goes off the rails as Trump interrupts, Biden bickers in shoutfest
It was the presidential debate as barroom brawl, as television shoutfest, as exhausting insult derby.
By Howard Kurtz | Fox News
Trump blasts Biden over COVID: 'He'll close down the whole country'
President claims former VP will destroy America by not allowing states to reopen for business
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It was the presidential debate as barroom brawl, as television shoutfest, as exhausting insult derby.
To the frustration of moderator Chris Wallace, and perhaps much of the television audience, much of the Cleveland faceoff--and there’s no other way to put it--went off the rails.
Given the polarized nature of the country, few minds were likely changed unless the candidates were being graded on politeness.
Substance occasionally broke through, but by and large it was a night of sound and fury and, from start to finish, great frustration.
The first pivot point came after a mild exchange on the Supreme Court nominee, when Joe Biden said President Trump is in court to get rid of ObamaCare and Amy Coney Barrett has said the law is unconstitutional.
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE GETS PERSONAL AS BIDEN CALLS TRUMP A ‘CLOWN,’ TRUMP TELLS BIDEN HE’S NOT ‘SMART’
Biden’s jab that 20 million people would lose their health insurance brought the debate onto his turf, clearly part of his game plan.
The second pivot point came when Trump accused Biden of wanting to strip health insurance from 180 million people, and when the Democrat said he had opposed Medicare for All, the president said “your party” is for “socialist” medicine. Those jabs, and the mentions of Bernie Sanders, were clearly at the core of Trump’s game plan.
The third pivot point came when Wallace tried to press Trump on whether he would protect people with preexisting conditions and the president scolded him: “I guess I’m debating you, not him.” With his later shots at “fake news,” and his complaint that Biden gets good press and he gets the bad variety, Trump unveiled the anti-media aspect of his strategy.
The fourth pivot point came when Trump increasingly began interrupting and hectoring Biden, and talking over him (as well as Wallace), and Biden had to rush his rebuttals: “I’m not here to call out his lies. Everyone knows he’s a liar.”
Biden soon had to interrupt just to stay in the game: “Folks, do you have any idea what this clown is doing?”
And when Trump broke in to demand whether Biden would pack the high court, Biden said derisively: “Keep yapping, man.”
And that was all within the first segment.
The initial impression, with Wallace struggling to keep control and repeatedly asking Trump to let the former vice president speak, was of Trump trying to dominate the stage. “Will you shut up, man?” an exasperated Biden said at one point.
With Trump trampling both men as if they were annoying White House reporters, his supporters were undoubtedly cheering the show of strength. But to many others, perhaps those skeptical of the president, the constant frowning and insults may have looked like bullying.
In some stretches, despite the seriousness of the topics, the jousting seemed juvenile. Biden, talking about the coronavirus, recalled his musing about “inject some bleach in your arm,” which Trump insisted was “sarcastic” (though he did not claim that at the time). When Biden said the president wasn’t being smart, Trump said dismissively: “Don’t ever use the word smart with me.”
When Biden spoke of the importance of masks, Trump said his opponent had to hold small rallies because he couldn’t draw big crowds. At another point, Biden called the incumbent a “fool.”
It may have been entertaining, but it was less than enlightening.
Finally, after nearly an hour, Wallace halted the proceedings and appealed to the president to stop breaking in.
When Trump said that should also apply to Biden, the Fox News anchor shot back: “Frankly, you’ve been doing more interrupting.”
It didn’t work, and Wallace had to keep reminding Trump that his campaign had agreed to the rules. The bickering continued until the end.
The limits of the debate format were painfully apparent. When Wallace asked about the New York Times report that he paid $750 in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017, Trump said he paid millions, but the type of taxes was unclear.
When the president parried by charging that Hunter Biden took millions for work in China and Russia, Biden had one of his best moments, looking into the camera:
“This is not about my family or his family, it’s about your family.”
One of Trump’s strongest moments was when he talked about how “we believe in law and order and you don’t”--and the strongest rebuttal Biden could muster is that violence is “never appropriate.”
But then both faltered under Wallace’s questioning.
Asked if he ever called Portland’s mayor or Oregon’s governor to urge an end to the violence, Biden didn’t have much to say, accusing Trump of pouring gasoline on the fire.
And when asked if he would denounce white supremacists and militia groups, Trump deflected the question by blaming violence on “the left wing.”
The night ended as it began, with Trump and Biden arguing over the outcome of a disputed election and the president trying to get the last word as Wallace was trying to wrap it up.
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Howard Kurtz is a Fox News analyst and the host of "MediaBuzz" He also hosts the MediaBuzzmeter podcast and is the author of "Media Madness: Donald Trump, The Press and the War Over the Truth."
Instant Polls Finds Biden Won Tonight’s Debate
September 29, 2020 at 11:21 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 527 Comments
A CBS News instant poll finds 48% think Joe Biden won tonight’s debate, 41% think Donald Trump won and 10% think it was a tie.
A CNN instant poll finds Biden won, 60% to 28%.
Chris left his thumb on the scale all night for Joe.
Joe poured gasoline in the Bernie supporters and burned them down.
"The matter of the fact is that I beat Bernie Sanders," Biden said during the debate, hosted by Case Western Reserve University and The Cleveland Clinic. "By a whole hell of a lot."
Biden failed to support the green new deal and Medicaid for All.
Actually, if Trump had just observed the two minute rule, he would have looked better.
Chris Wallace should have insisted on it, absolutely insisted on it, from the very first, and should have called down either side for the very first interruptions and have made it clear that this simply would not be tolerated.
But that would have destroyed Trump's planned modus operandi.
Namely, to interrupt, to name call, and to try to bully.
Oh, I'm pretty sure that Trump will be complaining about how badly he was treated by Wallace.
It just COULDN'T be his own fault for constantly interrupting.
With Trump, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault.
Well. That was quite a show, wasn’t it? I’ve never seen a debate moderator tell a sitting president to shut up even once, let alone over and over. But Chris Wallace did.
Thanks to Donald Trump’s inability to keep his mind on a single subject for more than a few seconds, there was no real arc to this debate. It sort of swerved and veered from one spot to another based on whatever lies and conspiracy theories popped into Trump’s mind at any given moment. But fact checking, as Biden said, is pointless. I suppose a few brave souls will do one, but it almost misses the point. Of course Trump was lying constantly. That’s just part of his persona and everyone knows it. The question is more about the literary quality of his lies, and tonight I’d judge the literary quality pretty low. Trump was obviously trying to deliver a toned-down version of his rally speeches, but that doesn’t work well in a more serious debate format. Being nothing more than an insult machine turns people off on a stage like this.
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People keep asking "Why is it so hard for Trump to condemn white supremacists?" Hmmm. IDK�� Maybe it's because he's a fucking, Nazi!
Insults and interruptions mar first Trump-Biden debate
By Jarrett Renshaw, Steve Holland
CLEVELAND (Reuters) - President Donald Trump and Democratic rival Joe Biden battled fiercely over Trump’s record on the coronavirus pandemic, healthcare and the economy in a chaotic and bad-tempered first debate marked by personal insults and Trump’s repeated interruptions.
Trump bulldozed his way through the 90-minute debate, trying to goad Biden, claiming that Democrats were trying to steal the November presidential election and declining to condemn white supremacist groups when asked to do so.
Moderator Chris Wallace never established control of the debate, with Trump repeatedly ignoring his calls to let Biden speak. The two White House contenders talked over each other and lobbed insults in a breathtaking political brawl that made it hard for either to make a point.
At one point, an exasperated Biden said after Trump’s repeated interruptions: “Will you shut up, man? This is so unpresidential.”
Wallace tried in vain to reel in Trump, who ignored his time limits and talked over Biden.
“I think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. I’m appealing to you, sir, to do that,” Wallace said.
When Trump said he should tell Biden the same thing, Wallace said: “Well, frankly, you’ve been doing more interrupting.”
As of Tuesday evening, 1.4 million Americans already had cast early ballots. With time running out to change minds or influence the small sliver of undecided voters, the stakes were enormous as the two White House candidates took the stage five weeks before the Nov. 3 Election Day.
For Trump, 74, Tuesday’s debate represented one of the few remaining chances to change the trajectory of a race that most opinion polls show him losing, as the majority of Americans disapprove of his handling of both the coronavirus pandemic and protests over racial injustice.
Biden, 77, has held a consistent lead over Trump in national opinion polls, although surveys in the battleground states that will decide the election show a closer contest. It was hard to determine whether the debate would move the needle.
Trump, asked if he was willing to condemn white supremacists and tell them to stand down, initially said he would be willing to do anything for peace but then said most of the violence was from the left wing.
“This is not a right-wing problem. This is left wing,” he said.
He also repeated his unfounded complaints that mail-in ballots would lead to widespread fraud in the election and declined to commit to accepting the results of the election or commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses the election.
“If I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can’t go along with that,” he said. “This is going to be a fraud like you’ve never seen.”
Biden urged Americans to make a plan to vote and assured voters that Trump would be gone if Biden won. He said he would not declare victory until the outcome was validated.
“If we get the votes, it’s going to be all over. He’s going to go,” he said, adding Trump’s complaints about mail-in ballots was that Trump was “afraid” to count the votes.
Biden was sharply critical of Trump’s record on the coronavirus pandemic which has killed more than 200,000 Americans, accusing him of failing to protect Americans because he was more concerned about the economy.
“He panicked or he looked at the stock market,” Biden said of Trump, who has pushed for states to reopen their economies and played down the threat of the pandemic.
“A lot of people died and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker,” Biden said.
Trump objected to Biden using the word “smart” and defended his approach on the pandemic. “We have done a great job.”
Biden also brought up a recent report that Trump had called members of the military “losers” and “suckers.” Biden, whose son Beau died of cancer, had served in the military.
“He was not a loser, and he was a patriot,” Biden said.
The two contenders did not shake hands as they entered the debate, adhering to protocols on social distancing because of the coronavirus.
Trump defended his effort to swiftly fill a U.S. Supreme Court seat, saying “elections have consequences” and he had the right despite Democratic objections.
“I will tell you very simply we won the election, elections have consequences. We have the Senate and we have the White House and we have a phenomenal nominee respected by all,” Trump said in defense of his nominee, conservative Judge Amy Coney Barrett.
Biden said the seat of the late liberal Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg should be filled after the election, when it was clear who the president would be.
“We should wait, we should wait and see what the outcome of this election is,” Biden said, adding a more conservative Supreme Court would endanger the Affordable Care Act known as Obamacare.
Trump is moving quickly to fill Ginsburg’s seat in hopes of cementing a 6-3 conservative majority on the court, a key priority for social conservatives.
Democrats have argued Republicans are being hypocritical for moving quickly to fill the seat given they had blocked then-President Barack Obama’s nomination to the Supreme Court in 2016, arguing it should wait until after that November election.
Hours before the debate, Biden released his 2019 tax returns and his campaign called on Trump, who has come under fire for not releasing his returns, to do the same.
Biden took the step two days after the New York Times reported Trump paid just $750 in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 - and none in 10 of the previous 15 years - following years of reporting steep losses from business enterprises.
Trump had long sought to keep his personal financial records secret.
Biden’s taxes showed that he and his wife Jill paid more than $346,000 in federal taxes and other payments for 2019 on an income of nearly $985,000 before seeking a refund of nearly $47,000 they said they had overpaid the government.
The Washington Examiner
Trump and Biden trade blows in acrimonious, starkly personal, and chaotic first debate
President Trump and 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden sniped and snarled repeatedly during their first debate, a meeting that was supposed to offer voters a clear contrast in policy and temperament but more often provided a stage for the two candidates to vent personal grievances.
The 90-minute, commercial-free debate, moderated by Fox News anchor Chris Wallace, was set to be organized around six central topics:
the nominees’ records,
the coronavirus pandemic,
the economy,
race and civil unrest,
and election integrity.
But that neat, tidy structure was tested as the opponents criticized one another and leveled personal attacks, including Trump targeting Biden’s family and Biden going after Trump’s finances.
A sober discussion of serious public policy topics was largely derailed by snide remarks and retorts between the two White House rivals.
"Will you shut up, man?” Biden asked Trump at one point during cross-talk. “That was really a productive segment, wasn't it?"
At another moment, Trump mocked the two-term vice president’s intelligence.
"Last in your class, not first in your class,” Trump said of Biden’s academic credentials.
Biden, who initially vowed to fact-check Trump and was warned by staff to keep his “Irish” in check, appeared visibly rattled in spots and bemused at others.
"I'm not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows he's a liar,” Biden said.
But about midway through the debate, Biden added, exasperated, “You’re the worst president we’ve ever had.”
A key point came when Trump broached Hunter Biden’s lucrative appointment to the board of Ukrainian gas company Burisma and his business dealings in China and Russia, transactions pivotal to Trump’s impeachment.
"My son did nothing wrong,” Biden said. "This is not about my family. It's about your family, the American people. He doesn't want to talk about what you need."
The first question focused on the forthcoming Supreme Court fight and the pending case determining the Obamacare's constitutionality. Trump claimed the Democratic Party was plotting to eliminate private health insurance coverage and to introduce “socialized medicine” plans akin to those proposed by Sens. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts during the primary.
"I am the Democratic Party right now. The platform of the Democratic Party is what I, in fact, approved of,” Biden said, asking whether Trump had a healthcare replacement plan yet.
Defending his push to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg with Judge Amy Coney Barrett before the election, Trump replied: “You just lost the Left.”
Trump reiterated the line about Biden being controlled by the Left during the racial injustice and law-and-order portion of the debate, in which the president declined to condemn white supremacists and militia groups.
"He wouldn't know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn," Biden said, describing Trump as a "racist." "This is not 1950. All these dog whistles on racism don't work anymore."
Of the COVID-19 outbreak, Biden scrutinized Trump for not having a public health plan or an economic reopening proposal. But Trump touted his implementation of travel restrictions, procurement of personal protective equipment and ventilators, and support of vaccine research, as well as the economy’s faster-than-expected recovery.
"This is the same man who told you by Easter this would be gone away. By the warm weather, it'd be gone, miraculously,” Biden said, quibbling with Trump over mask-wearing. “And by the way, maybe you can inject some bleach into your arm."
“You would have lost far more people,” Trump snapped, citing the Obama administration's swine flu response and saying that Biden was hosting smaller campaign events because nobody would “show up.”
As the election stands, Biden has an average national lead of mid-single digits. But both campaigns played the expectations game heading into the highly anticipated matchup.
After months of insinuating that Biden was senile before promoting unfounded claims that he was on performance-enhancing drugs, Trump tried to raise expectations by underlining Biden’s debating record established over a half-century in politics. But he quickly returned to his “Sleepy Joe” quips.
The competing campaigns squabbled on Tuesday over allegations the Biden camp wanted two breaks during the program and refused to consent to a third-party inspection to ensure he wasn’t wearing an earpiece. The Biden team accused Trump of pressuring Wallace not to bring up how more than 206,000 people in the United States have succumbed to COVID-19.
With five weeks until Election Day, the debate was convened after officials in many states have begun accepting early in-person and mailed-in absentee ballots. Though millions of people were expected to tune in, a large number of voters have told pollsters in recent months that they know for whom they would cast a ballot if they made the effort.
Trump’s task on Tuesday was to excite his base, while Biden needed to embody empathy as people around the country grapple with coronavirus-related hardship and to define his relationship regarding the ascendant Democratic Left. He also needed to persuade his broader coalition he can physically and mentally handle the rigors of the office...
I heard on the radio that Trump interrupted Biden SEVENTY-FIVE times! I don't know how many times Biden interrupted Trump, but it was considerably less than that, as Chris Wallace told Trump at one point.
40 comments on this thread. All but three are by Roger or James. That tells us that Biden took a beating. The spinning by dumb and dumber is off the charts.
People keep asking "Why is it so hard for Trump to condemn white supremacists?" Hmmm. IDK�� Maybe it's because he's a fucking, Nazi!
“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,
They have a new logo saying that shit
The Proud Boys, a self-described "Western chauvinist" organization, is considered a violent, nationalistic, Islamophobic, transphobic and misogynistic hate group, according to the Anti-Defamation League, a nonprofit organization that tracks extremist groups. Proud Boys members marched at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and have organized against Black Lives Matter protests in recent months.
The group recently staged a rally in Portland, Oregon, in support of Trump. About 200 people, some armed with guns, attended the rally, short of the expectations of thousands.
Proud Boys organizer Joe Biggs also posted after the debate that he was "standing by," and he said the president "basically said to go f--- them up."
"President Trump told the proud boys to stand by because someone needs to deal with ANTIFA... well sir! we're ready!!" Biggs wrote.
The missing headline is the Joe Biden won''t condemn ANTIFA or BLM when they are clearly behind the violence in Portland and other cities.
Chris Wallace manufacture a issue. There was no organized right-wing groups involved in the violence. It was all ANTIFA and BLM.
The media says the debate was a dumpster fire in a train wreak, Trump was a bully, the debate was a disgrace.
What they are not saying is Joe Biden won the debate.
The most pathetic performance for a sitting president since atilla the hun!!!!!!! Totally out of control and more concerned about a fake 3 million dollar payment to biden sons....Not telling white supremacist to knock it off was disgraceful!!!!!! Telling them to stand by was a dog whistle......ugly was on full display!!!!! Anyone think he convinced suburban women to support the GOP????? BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!
BTW....antifa does not exist as an organization.....Chris Wallace was steamrolled by trump!!!!!! Proud boys are celebrating!!!!!!!!
Blogger Commonsense said...
The media says the debate was a dumpster fire in a train wreak
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! I did not need anyone to report that....trump acted like an asshole who could not care less about the country than a gnat....Nod and winks to david duke kind is what you support cramps.....you and trump are both disgraces!!!!!!!
I can only guess trumps mission to break the debate format worked!!!!! Since he cannot debate with facts he just rolled over the debate with stupidity because he cannot think on his feet!!!!! Yelling and talking over everyone again shows he cannot answer the question and is stalling to get face time!!!! What a sick fuck he is.......Biden smiled and trump turned red face acting like a petulant child!!!!!
Actually Trump did quite a bit of homework and had the facts in hand, One of his high points is his defense of his administration COVID-19 response and his fair criticism of Biden and Harris for spreading fear and uncertainty about the vaccine.
Trump really has nothing to do about when a vaccine is approved. However, he's already geared of production of the vaccine so it can be distributed the moment it is approved.
Totally out of control and more concerned about a fake 3 million dollar payment to biden sons..
The 3 million dollar payment is not fake, there's evidence.
Eric trump on fox news
“I’m telling you, I see it every day, the LGBT community, they are incredible and you should see how they’ve come out in full force for my father every single day,” he answered. “I’m part of that community and we love the man and thank you for protecting our neighborhoods and thank you for protecting our cities.”
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet daddy is pissed!!!!!!!
I can only guess trumps mission to break the debate format worked!!!!!
So that means Trump won right?
on dollar payment is not fake, there's evidence.
Yep....the evidence is that it is BULLSHIT!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
“The mayor of Moscow, his wife, gave your son three and a half-million dollars.”
— Trump
Trump is referring to an allegation in a recent report released by the GOP majority of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and Senate Finance Committee: “Rosemont Seneca Thornton, an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden, received $3.5 million in a wire transfer from Elena Baturina, who allegedly received illegal construction contracts from her husband, the former mayor of Moscow.” The report said the wire transfer was part of a “consultancy agreement” but does not allege any illegality in the transaction.
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Allegedly, at the time of the transfer, Baturina was living in the United Kingdom with her husband, Yuri Luzhkov, who died in 2019. But Hunter Biden’s lawyer said the claim that his client received $3.5 million from Baturina is false.
“The Senate report falsely alleges that Hunter Biden had a financial relationship with Russian business executive Yelena Baturina and that he received $3.5 million from Baturina,” Hunter Biden’s lawyer, George Mesires, said in an email. “Hunter Biden had no interest in and was not a ‘co-founder’ of Rosemont Seneca Thornton, so the claim that he was paid $3.5 million is false.”
The Senate report claimed that “Luzhkov used his position as mayor to approve over 20 real estate projects that were built by a Baturina-owned construction company and ultimately generated multibillion-ruble profits for his family.”
So it is false because Hunter Biden's lawyer says it false. Yeah. right.
So that means Trump won right?
i didn't watch it but this is what i'm hearing and reading this morning.
cali had it right yesterday when he said that as long as Joe shows up wearing pants, he wins. and i'll add the fact that he didn't pull a Nadler and shit himself.
and who could've imagined that chris wallace would show up being - this debates candy crowley from '12 - and turn it into a 2 on 1 set-up. yeah... never saw that coming.
checking in with my liberal friends i can confirm that this changed exactly zero minds as i suspected. and the honest Biden supporters did admit that Joe WAS slow, with one saying he wished lil Petey Buttplug was the dem nominee feeling that he would've trounced Trump.
and also predictably, all the polls had Slow Joe winning by like 98% - 2% or some such bullshit.
my prediction - watch Joe figure out a way to weasel out of the remaining debates.
So it is false because Hunter Biden's lawyer says it false.
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I guess you don't know how to read cramps......seems to me if Ron Johnson's report had concrete evidence you would have been all over it, it did not...Sadly, Hunter was not a co founder or any interest in Rosemount.....that is fact you cannot deny!!!!! The facts stand, and you cannot prove otherwise!!!!!!! IOW's bullshit you think is true....can't fix your kind of stupid!!!!!
Trump lied about football.....but cramps will slurp his fat white ass like he good little sycophant he is!!!!!!! bWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
“I’m the one that brought back football, by the way. I brought back Big Ten football. It was me, and I’m very happy to do it.”
— Trump
Trump opposed the college football conference’s game suspensions, but that’s about it. He and other White House officials indicated federal resources were made available to the Big Ten, but one person familiar with the process told The Washington Post that the conference hasn’t been given, nor has it requested, federal assistance.
“President Trump had nothing to do with our decision and did not impact the deliberations,” an unidentified Big Ten university president told NBC. “In fact, when his name came up, it was a negative because no one wanted this to be political.”
So that means Trump won right?
If that's what you believe cramps and rat......You need help......BWQAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Stand down and stand by.....Rat the bigot buys more ammo for his 7 mm to help the proud boys protect the country!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
hey BWAA...
Rosemont Seneca is a Washington, D.C.-based investment and advisory firm. The firm's founding partners are Hunter Biden, the son of U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, Devon Archer and Christopher Heinz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BHR_Partners
the $3.5 M may be open for debate but the fact that Hunter is a founding partner is not.
Since you didn't watch it, your opinion is irrelevant
Rosemont Seneca is a Washington, D.C.-based investment and advisory firm. The firm's founding partners are Hunter Biden, the son of U.S. Vice President Joe Biden
There is no evidence in Johnsons report that proves that to be true....Trump and you saying so is another joke!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Nice C+P from wiki rat......funny that is all you got .... a source you constantly ridicule ......BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Rat is more full of shit that trump and cramps!!!!!
t they said: Trump attacked Biden's son, Hunter, over his work for the board of the Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings and his business activities in China. The president accused Joe Biden of trying to have the Ukrainian prosecutor general ousted when he was vice president in order to shut down an investigation into Burisma and protect Hunter Biden. Trump also alleged that Hunter Biden received "$3.5 million from Moscow."
Fact check: It is true that Biden, when he was vice president, pushed hard for the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor general at the time. However, Biden was acting in his official capacity as part of the Obama administration when pushing for Shokin's firing because the prosecutor did not make a concerted effort to fight corruption. The US's western allies and institutions, including the World Bank, supported the move. Also, by the time Biden started pushing for Shokin's dismissal, the probe into Burisma was dormant, according to Bloomberg.
Trump's claim that Hunter Biden received $3.5 million from Moscow refers to uncorroborated allegations from a Republican Senate report last week that said an investment firm linked to Hunter Biden took in $3.5 million from Yelena Baturina, the widow of the late Moscow mayor Yury Luzhkov.
Biden's lawyer, George Mesires, told Politico in a statement that the Senate report held no merit because Hunter Biden Biden did not have any "interest in" and was not the "co-founder" of the investment firm, Rosemont Seneca Thornton, "so the claim that he was paid $3.5 million is false."
Funny rat you dumb fuck...you cannot even post an anonymous source that corroborates the biden payment.....why is that???????
28 k disney workers being laid off.....that trump economy roaring right down the shitter!!!!!! Toss in 35 k airline workers being threatened and the only corner that is being turned is a longer recesion!!!!!
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Since you didn't watch it, your opinion is irrelevant
alky,
go fuck yourself, you drunken sot.
Joe got where he went to college wrong.
Who does that?
Trump hurt Biden badly on the law and order, vaccine scare tactics, court packing and filibuster elimination, and economy.
And I laughed out loud when Biden said that he was the democrat party. No I e in America believes that.
The 3.5 million is the biggest pile of steaming horseshit ever put out by trump and the fraud GOP Johnson report!!!!!!1 Rat buys into it like the good little dumbass he has become!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/28/hunter-biden-senate-report/
President Trump himself tweeted out the “$3.5 million” claim, as did his son, Donald Trump Jr., and it also formed the basis of articles by the New York Post, Fox News, the Daily Mail, Newsweek and the Federalist.
Here’s what the final report says about that alleged $3.5 million payment (on page 69):
Hunter Biden and his associate, Archer, had a financial relationship with Russian businesswoman Elena Baturina. Baturina is the former wife of the late Yuri Luzhkov, who was the mayor of Moscow and was fired in 2010 by then-Russian president Dmitry Medvedev over corruption allegations. Baturina became Russia’s only female billionaire when her plastics company, Inteko, received a series of Moscow municipal contracts while her husband was mayor.
…On Feb. 14, 2014, Baturina wired $3.5 million to a Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC (Rosemont Seneca Thornton) bank account for a “Consultancy Agreement DD12.02.2014.” Rosemont Seneca Thornton is an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden that was incorporated on May 28, 2013 in Wilmington, Del.
However, Hunter Biden’s attorney, George Mesires, refuted this claim, which the report describes as one of the investigation’s “key findings.” In a statement sent to Snopes, Mesires wrote:
“The Senate report falsely alleges that Hunter Biden had a financial relationship with Russian businesswoman Yelena Baturina and that he received $3.5 million from Baturina. Hunter Biden was not a co-founder of Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC (“RST”) nor did he have an equity interest in RST, so the claim that he was paid $3.5 million is false.”
None of the news reports referenced above contained any evidence that their authors had sought comment from Hunter Biden on the Baturina allegation. We asked Grassley and Johnson for a response to Mesires’ statement, but we didn’t receive a response of any kind.
GOOD MORNING AMERICA
This morning, after getting caught up with events from last night...
This quote from H.L. Mencken popped into my head:
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
As most of you know, I chose not watch the debate last night and as a result…
For the first time in a long while I slept for 8 hours straight.
This morning I awoke and with trepidation, I turned on CNN and just as I expected...
I realized I made the right choice by not watching what CNN described as the “SHIT SHOW” that was the first Presidential debate.
SO I spent the better part of the morning catching up and…
As I see it...
There were no real winners last night, only one very big LOSER…
The AMERICAN PEOPLE.
But it seems there were some winners from last night...
THE PROUD BOYS of America with their new catchy phrase:
Stand back but Stand by
Again Donald took off his white hood and revealed to the world who the real Donald Trump is and what he actually stands for.
But we knew that all along.
And if some aren't still clear about it...
MAGA has always stood for making AMERICA WHITE AGAIN.
You know for years I wrote often, warning Americans about the coming great collapse of America should Donald Trump be re-elected.
However, after watching some of the excerpts of last night’s SHIT SHOW, I realized one thing…
America has already collapsed.
Just look at what she has become.
I will not go into details outlining all the problems and the damages that Trump has inflicted on America because that list is very long and it starts with...
210 Thousand people dead from Covid- 19.
And watching scenes from last night also made one thing very clear...
All those who voted for and continue to support Trump and the Republican Party wanted this all along…
The Death of America.
Last night’s shitshow revealed to the world the brutal fact that...
Donald Trump destroyed America, but he didn’t do it alone…
Every member of the Republican Party and every American who DID NOT VOTE in 2016 is responsible for America’s demise.
Last night wasn’t a Presidential Debate, it didn’t even come close.
It was a mudslinging, it was offense and defense, it was a shitshow never seen before, and everything else just blurred into the scenery.
But seriously, what did any of us expect?
And let's be honest, most people watched last night's show for one reason...
To see just how far Trump would go.
Most Americans already know who they will be voting for.
But sadly the whole world saw something else...
America for what she has become…
Broken, deranged, desperate and defeated…
Because that is how she is represented.
Last night was pathetic, it was gruesome and it was sad.
And if creating CHAOS and DEFLECTION was the goal of last night’s performance...
then Donald Trump won.
But if the goal was about getting more votes, then Donald Trump lost, big time.
So now America has a choice to make, in just 33 days…
DO you vote BLUE in order to restore and rebuild America?
Or do we allow a minority to dig her grave even deeper and watch the final internment of what was once upon a time referred to as the greatest Nation in the world…
Formerly known as the United States of America.
It really is the People’s choice as to what happens from here on end.
No more excuses.
Because in the end ...
Just as Joseph de Maistre said:
“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite” (Every nation gets the government it deserves)
So what is it that Americans deserve?
Certainly not this.
The Walt Disney Co. on Tuesday announced that 28,000 employees from the Parks, Experiences and Products segment "at all levels" will be laid off. What's more, the company placed the blame for the decision on California not allowing Disneyland to reopen at this time.
The news comes exactly one week after Josh D’Amaro, chairman of Disney Parks, Experiences & Products, essentially demanded that Disneyland be allowed to reopen. Gov. Gavin Newsom did not respond.
"In light of the prolonged impact of COVID-19 on our business, including limited capacity due to physical distancing requirements and the continued uncertainty regarding the duration of the pandemic — exacerbated in California by the State’s unwillingness to lift restrictions that would allow Disneyland to reopen — we have made the very difficult decision to begin the process of reducing our workforce at our Parks, Experiences and Products segment at all levels, having kept non-working Cast Members on furlough since April, while paying health care benefits," reads a statement from D’Amaro released Tuesday.
Approximately 28,000 "domestic employees" will be affected by the decision, according to the company. About 67 percent are part-time workers.
"We are talking with impacted employees as well as to the unions on next steps for union-represented Cast Members," reads D’Amaro’s statement. "Over the past several months, we’ve been forced to make a number of necessary adjustments to our business, and as difficult as this decision is today, we believe that the steps we are taking will enable us to emerge a more effective and efficient operation when we return to normal."
A request for comment from Newsom's office about the layoffs was not immediately returned.
Last week D’Amaro said to the state and lawmakers, "Help us reopen. We need guidelines that are fair and equitable." He went on to say that the "longer we wait" the more "damage" would be done to the local economy and furloughed employees.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-parks-to-layoff-28000-employees-cites-californias-unwillingness-to-reopen-disneyland
Eat shit and die goat fucker......BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
e.” But the deal did not come to fruition.
“You said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. You didn’t go to Delaware State. You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class.”
— Trump
Trump is repeating a falsehood promoted by his campaign, even though it’s being denied by the university.
“Watched in full context, it is clear that Biden was discussing his long association with historically Black colleges and universities, not making a claim that he had attended Delaware State University,” Carlos Holmes, a spokesman for the university, said in a statement to the Delaware News Journal. In the video, the former vice president was not implying that he attended the university, but rather referring to the support he received from the school when he announced his bid for U.S. Senate on the DSU campus in 1972, Holmes said.
Who does that?
a depends wearing drooling retard in a state of serious cognitive decline.
Anonymous Myballs said...
Trump hurt Biden badly on the law and order, vaccine scare tactics,
What the fuck are you smoking you dumb fuck???????? BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Biden is in big trouble with the Bernie, AOC liberals for denying the green new deal and for losing the scotus nomination debate.
"Economists at Bank of America lifted their forecast for third-quarter US GDP growth to 27% from 15% on Friday, citing better-than-expected trends in retail sales, the housing market, and hiring."
Yep goat fucker the trump economy at lower levels than Obama's.......and you are proud of it......BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! BTW,,,,the forecast does not include the massive layoffs coming!!!!
On policy Biden hurt his AOC/Bernie/Pelosi mob by dumping their issues.
WHAT A FANTASTIC MORNING !!!
I see our basement dwellers and supporters are desperately cut-and-pasting from the usual suspects.
Must mean Trump won or at worse held serve !!!
And boy do the dems face a mountain of issues right now. And they are only going to grow. Pretty gloomy for them going forward. Well at least Biden admitted our soon-to-be new Supreme Court justice appeared like a good choice. And he did get pinned down on a few other issues while not answering on the biggest one so we know where he stands there.
And having people around him not wanting for him to go to other debates really shows who actually won.
Frantic Biden supporters hair-on-fire antics with social media posts make the California wildfires look like birthday candles. I see they went from last night and never stopped.
ROFLMFAO !!!
CNN’s Dana Bash, Jake Tapper, Wolf Blitzer, Abby Philip and Van Jones
Bash put it bluntly: “that was a shit show.”
Trump's ignorance and desperation was apparent from the first minute of the debate.
To be blunt, he's fucking crazy.
Anonymous Myballs said...
Biden is in big trouble with the Bernie,
Wishful and desperate thinking by our resident liar......BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Mrs. Denise.
You really can't be a stupid girl all of the time.
er 30, 2020 at 7:32 AM
Anonymous JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...
WHAT A FANTASTIC MORNING !!!
FOR BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! THE GOAT FUCKER SHITS ANOTHER TRUMP BRICK OF STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!
From a friend.
I actually watched the debate, unlike the racist rodent bastard.
Hi desperation was apparent from the minute he stepped on the stage.
Biden wasn't perfect, but he destroyed the myth that he's mentally disabled. Even Fox news confirmed that.
He made the people who love him happy, but he probably destroyed what little chance to win again.
I actually watched the debate, unlike the racist rodent bastard.
Hi desperation was apparent from the minute he stepped on the stage.
Biden wasn't perfect, but he destroyed the myth that he's mentally disabled. Even Fox news confirmed that.
He made the people who love him happy, but he probably destroyed what little chance to win again.
Trump Plans Big Wisconsin Rallies Despite Virus Surge
President Trump has scheduled large campaign rallies this weekend in Wisconsin despite recommendations from the White House Coronavirus Task Force that call for increasing social distancing in the state “to the maximal degree possible,” the Washington Post reports.
“Wisconsin is listed in the document as the state with the third-highest rate of new cases in the country, with 243 new cases per 100,000 people over the previous week, about 2.6 times greater than the national average.”
Undecided Voter Says Trump Acted Like a ‘Crackhead’
Ruthie, an undecided voter from Pennsylvania in a Frank Luntz focus group during last night’s presidential debate, described Joe Biden’s challenge as trying to “win an argument with a crackhead,” Politico reports.
Biden Cashes In on Debate
The Biden campaign said they had their “best online fundraising hour of all time” Tuesday night between 10 p.m. and 11 p.m, raising $3.8 million, Fox News reports.
The Worst Presidential Debate In Living Memory
Dan Balz:
“No one alive has ever seen a presidential debate like Tuesday night’s unseemly shout fest between President Trump and former vice president Joe Biden — 90 minutes of invective, interruptions and personal insults. It was an insult to the public as well, and a sad example of the state of American democracy five weeks before the election.
“On the margins, the debate probably did more to help Biden than the president, at a moment when Trump needed to change the shape and trajectory of the campaign. But that’s not what people will remember. Even partisans locked into their choices were probably dispirited at what they were witnessing. One can only imagine what the next two debates between the two men will look like.”
Walter Shapiro:
“I am old enough to have watched —as boy and man— every fall presidential debate since John Kennedy went up against Richard Nixon and his five o’clock shadow in 1960. And never have I witnessed a guttersnipe, bully-boy performance like Trump’s on the debate stage.”
The Debate Was Always Going to Be About Trump
New York Times:
“President Trump did for the Tuesday debate what he has done for the political life of the country in his four years:
supply as much rampaging volume,
custom-busting obtrusion
and outright fiction as necessary
to impose his will on the proceedings.”
He lied about the
Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese.
Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese from Portland quickly refuted President Trump’s claim of an endorsement during Tuesday night's first general election presidential debate.
“As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him. Donald Trump has made my job a hell of a lot harder since he started talking about Portland, but I never thought he'd try to turn my wife against me!”
An Epic Moment of National Shame
John Harris:
“At frequent intervals on Tuesday night, the natural human reaction—lower the sound, wince and look away—took over, and the first presidential debate of the 2020 general election became nearly unwatchable.
“Those who did persist in watching were rewarded, in a perverse way:
They witnessed history in the making.
The proceeding was an epic spectacle,
a new low in presidential politics,
a new high watermark in national shame.
“The stain will be visible for many years to come. It will serve as a reminder of the night the dam broke,
and currents of contempt that have been building in public life for many years flooded the stage with tens of millions of Americans viewing President Donald Trump, Democratic nominee Joe Biden, and an overwhelmed moderator on live television.”
House Affirms Peaceful Transfer of Power
“The House adopted a resolution on Tuesday to affirm the chamber’s support for a peaceful transfer of power after President Trump last week declined to commit to it if he loses reelection,” The Hill reports.
“Lawmakers adopted the measure in a bipartisan 397-5 vote, with all of the votes in opposition coming from Republicans.”
Health and Human Services Ad Blitz Sputters
Politico:
“The health department’s $300 million-plus, taxpayer-funded vehicle to boost confidence in President Trump’s response to the pandemic is sputtering.
Celebrities are refusing to participate, and staff are arraying against it.
Some complain of the unstated aim of helping Trump’s re-election.
“Others point to an ill-prepared video team and a 22-year-old political appointee who has repeatedly asserted control despite having no public health expertise.”
Proud Boys ‘Stand By’ After Trump Debate Call-Out
The Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, pledged allegiance to President Trump on Tuesday night after he told the group to “stand back and stand by” during the evening’s debate, NBC News reports.
“Trump was asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace to disavow white supremacy during a portion of the debate focused on race… But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and then pivoted to talk about antifa.”
Daily Beast:
Trump refuses to condemn white supremacists.
Bernie Sanders, and his supporters, are not going anywhere, they will vote for Biden and Harris in huge numbers.
Balls and the kput'z believes that they were upset because Biden didn't endorse nationalized medical care.
TRUMPS WORDS INCITING THE MENTALLY DISABLED WHITE SUPREMACISTS THAT ENDORSE HIM....The US heading for another trump baited disaster....
Proud Boys say they are 'standing down and standing by' after Trump's debate callout
NBC News
Ben Collins and Brandy Zadrozny
,NBC News•September 30, 2020
1:39 3:48
Proud Boys celebrate President Trump’s callout to them during debate
The Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, pledged allegiance to President Donald Trump on Tuesday night after he told the group to "stand back and stand by" during the first presidential debate.
Many people on social media who identify with the group echoed that language, saying they were "standing down and standing by." One known social media account for the group made "Stand back. Stand by" part of its new logo.
I have been saying that the President is a racist person, but he confirmed it last night.
When pressed to condemn white supremacists, Trump asked for the name of a specific group. Biden responded by naming the Proud Boys.
"Proud Boys – stand back and stand by
Unless the Republicans step forward and condemn the President, they will suffer a catastrophic loss in November.
I see the dems and their media is acting just like in 2016.
Hillary won debates !!!
Hillary is up double digits in polls !!!
Measure the drapes !!!
We really didn't know what Trump would be like when we hesitantly voted for him in 2016 or sat it out.
And while we suspected the Obama administration was crooked we really didn't have solid evidence.
Now we know and do.
America is at a crossroad.
TRUMP 2020 is now crystal clear
WHAT A FANTASTIC MORNING !!!
FOR BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!
I can't post it here but the Proud Boys posted a photo in support for the President.
Now we know and do.
America is at a crossroad.
And the dumb fuck is at the crossroad of disaster.....the GOP has hit its predicted end!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Being patriotic does not mean being racist
200 nations watched this and witnessed a rude, immature, imbecile make a mockery of the USA. We have always been better than this. Bring back dignity, decency, honesty, honor to the office of the president. For the love of God and Country, please bring back presidential. End this nightmare.
Wow balls such a philosophical statement if only you and the GOP could practice it!!!!!! BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!
CBS News
@CBSNews
White supremacist Daniel Lewis Lee put to death as U.S. carries out the first federal execution in 17 years
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/daniel-lewis-lee-executed-today-2020-07-14/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=93838827
Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
Trump literally executed a white supremacist murderer 2 months ago but that still wasn’t good enough for Chris Wallace
And Wallace brought up the completely debunked "fine people" hoax which Biden said was the reason he is running. While Biden said all Hunters actions had been thoroughly investigated and cleared. And denied calling military personnel "stupid bastards" while accusing Trump of demeaning the military.
And Biden visibly turned white when Trump mentioned yesterdays declassifications on Obama spying on Trumps campaign and presidency.
Have a feeling we will be hearing a lot more and have a much harder counterpunch on all.
Ballsless this is racist, not patriotic.
WALLACE: "Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?"
TRUMP: "Sure. I'm willing to do that."
WALLACE: "Go ahead, sir."
TRUMP: "I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing. Not from the right wing."
WALLACE: "What are you saying?"
TRUMP: "I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace."
WALLACE: "Then do it, sir. Say it."
TRUMP: "What do you want to call them. Give me a name. Who do you want me to condemn?"
WALLACE: "White supremacists and right -- "
BIDEN: "Proud Boys."
TRUMP: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what. Somebody has to do something about antifa and the left. This is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem."
Mike
@FuctupMike
Joe Biden stated that he didn't call the military "stupid bastards"
Roll tape.
https://twitter.com/FuctupMike/status/1311130595095916550
and notice how Jill Biden enthusiastically claps when he does
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I actually watched the debate, unlike the racist rodent bastard.
ooh, enlighten us, oh sage one.
LOL.
alky, the fact that you watched it says more about you than it does about me. i had better things to do. like watch grass grow, paint dry, and i even dropped some 0linsky dolls off at the pool.
@JackPosobiec
Trump literally executed a white supremacist murderer 2 months
And Jack P is literally a giant asshole for trump!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! I have a feeling trumps shitty poll numbers are going to head further south!!!!!!
Joe Left the Leftist hanging in a noose in the Public Square.
Guy Benson
@guypbenson
Biden: “I don’t support the Green New Deal.”
Biden’s own website: https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/
Oops !!!
Anonymous JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...
Mike
@FuctupMike
Joe Biden stated that he didn't call the military "stupid bastards"
TAKEN COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT SHIT FOR BRAINS!!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!! You need to get and watch the entire exchange.....when you do, get back to me you worthless file of trump shit!!!!!
Luntz focus group was unhappy with Biden because he kept going back to obamacare. That's not what they wanted to hear about. They wanted to know what he would do about jobs. Biden acknowledged that he woyld shutdown the economy again but said nothing about jobs. The focus group was greatly concerned about this.
Trump's Night: The Return of the Chaos Candidate
by Philip Wegmann, RealClearPolitics
Donald Trump never liked the nickname. Back when he was a New Yorker and a newly minted Republican and generally considered a political oddity, Jeb Bush branded him on live television. According to the former Florida governor, Trump was “the chaos candidate.”
It fit then, and it still fits now: The first Trump vs. Biden debate marked the return of the chaos candidacy.
Though no one who knew him well expected Trump to change because of a trifling factor such as living in the White House for nearly four years, the incumbent president was in classic form Tuesday night. For 98 minutes, he belittled and bullied and berated both his opponent and the moderator -- so much so that he made the debate painful to watch. But what was roundly condemned may have been the plan.
Trump trails former vice president Joe Biden in the RealClearPolitics national polling average by 6.1 percentage points. Figuring he needed a strong showing to close the gap, the campaign studied every Biden debate since 1972. The strategy they came up with entailed having Trump rely on his improv ability rather than employ a structured game plan.
There were just a handful of goals for Trump, a source familiar with the debate prep told RCP:
Knock Biden off his talking points by answering questions from moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News and then posing another one to his opponent. Force him to own up to the less popular parts of his own record. Push the centrist Democrat to own the policy agenda of those on his left flank.
“The more Joe stutters and stumbles and makes mistakes and says things that just don't resonate or make sense,” the source told RCP the day before the debate, “the more we're winning.”
If that approach wasn’t already apparent, it became obvious within the first few minutes when a discussion about the Supreme Court turned into a question about Obamacare. Trump said that a Biden administration would kick 180 million Americans off of their private health insurance and open the door to “socialized medicine.” Biden balked.
"That is simply a lie," he said.
"Your party wants to go socialist medicine and socialist health care," Trump interrupted.
"The party is me. Right now, I am the Democratic Party," Biden insisted.
"And they’re going to dominate you, Joe. You know that," Trump shot back.
It was a redux of what Republicans have long argued, namely that Biden’s moderation is a sham and that the former vice president is little more than a Trojan horse for more progressive ideologies. At one point, after Trump accused Biden of embracing “socialized medicine” and signing off on “the manifesto” of a former Democratic rival, an incredulous Biden replied, “I’m not going to listen to him. The fact of the matter is I beat Bernie Sanders.”
This was a rare denunciation at a moment when Democrats have tried to bind up the partisan wounds of a divisive primary. Trump saw it as an opening to take advantage, declaring that Biden had “just lost the left.” Two minutes later, both men were shouting that the other was the real “liar.”
If Biden can't handle Trump's aggressiveness, how is he gonna handle Putin, Xi or Kim?
Much of the debate was wasted with this kind of jawboning, and little policy was actually discussed in detail. But as Trump was trying to peg Biden as a radical, he only succeeded in chasing the Democrat to the center.
The Green New Deal? Biden said he didn’t support it.
Rioting in the streets? Biden condemned violence.
Defunding the police? Biden said he would increase funding.
Just as Republicans struggled to define Biden over the summer, Trump was all over the place throughout the night. His punches didn’t land as hard as they did four years ago, and his new opponent was not as easily demonized as Hillary Clinton. But the president never stopped interrupting, which at some point became the issue itself.
Trump said the only reason that Biden was the nominee was because he got “very lucky” (the Democrat sarcastically agreed). He said that Biden was a bad negotiator and that “China ate your lunch.” He said that after nearly five decades in government Biden had “done nothing.”
Trump did not limit his attacks to Biden. Early in the night he began to bristle at questions from Chris Wallace, complaining that “I guess I’m debating you.” From then on, the president regularly disregarded the moderator. He interrupted and demanded more time to answer questions and went his own way. Wallace became so exasperated at one point that he sarcastically offered to switch seats with Trump.
While the president seemed to shred the debate rulebook, he was not always on offense. He was asked about a report in the New York Times that he only paid $750 in federal income taxes. Is that true?
Trump insisted that it wasn’t and said he had actually paid several million dollars. “Show us your tax returns,” Biden interjected. Trump, as he has for the past four years, said that he couldn’t release the documents until an IRS audit was finished. And besides, the president continued, he was just trying to get the best deal possible by obeying the rules established under the Obama administration.
“I don’t want to pay taxes,” Trump admitted. “Before I came here, I was a private developer, I was a private businessperson. Like every other private person, unless they’re stupid, they go through the laws. ... He passed a bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and for tax credits.”
This would become a theme throughout the night. Although he’s the incumbent U.S. president, Donald Trump continued to run as an insurgent. Pushed to play defense on a topic, he would argue instead that if Biden were president a bad situation would only be worse. For instance, as the death toll from coronavirus exceeds 200,000, Trump insisted the number would have been much higher if he hadn’t closed the country to Asia and Europe.
“If we would’ve listened to you, the country would have been left wide open, millions of people would have died, not 200,000,” Trump told Biden before adding, “I’ll tell you, Joe, you could never have done the job that we did. You don’t have it in your blood. You could’ve never done that, Joe.”
Aside from passing references to ventilators and therapeutics and vaccines, neither candidate discussed the pandemic in detail. They did, however, make things personal.
Trump tried repeatedly to rattle Biden usually with interruptions. Biden responded by complaining that it was “hard to get any word in with this clown.” At another point, after the president kept talking over his answer about the Supreme Court, he asked, “Will you shut up, man?”
James do you ever have any thoughts of your own?
Ever?
This freewheeling approach was not without risks. Asked twice by Wallace if he would condemn white supremacists and tell militias to stand down during moments of urban unrest, Trump said “sure” twice. He told the moderator to “give me a name,” asking, “Who do you want me to condemn?” Biden suggested “the Proud Boys,” a self-described alt-right chauvinist organization.
“Okay, Proud Boys -- stand back and stand by,” the president responded. “But I'll tell you what -- somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem, this is a left wing.”
In short order, the group was trumpeting what it saw as an endorsement. Critics took this, specifically the words “stand by,” as a sign that the president was refusing to condemn white supremacists.
The subsequent controversy went viral on social media, an episode that the Trump campaign certainly did not want or expect.
Rather, for months Republicans had placed their hopes on a rhetorical slugfest where the president could outmatch his opponent. One of their top priorities? Forcing Biden to discuss his son Hunter. Trump saw his opportunity when Biden referenced the military career of his son.
"He got the Bronze Star. He got the Conspicuous Service Medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot. And the people left behind there were heroes," Biden said.
Trump interrupted to ask if he was talking about Hunter. Biden said no, he was talking about Beau.
"I don't know Beau. I know Hunter. Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out, dishonorably discharged for cocaine use," Trump continued.
Biden said that wasn’t true. Trump said that it was.
"Once you became vice president, he made a fortune in Ukraine and China and Moscow and various other places. And he didn't have a job," Trump shot back.
"That is simply not true. My son, like a lot of people, like a lot of people you know at home, had a drug problem. He's overtaken it. He's fixed it. He's worked on it. And I'm proud of him," Biden concluded.
Republicans have been hammering for months on ties between Hunter Biden and foreign nationals, arguing that sweetheart deals and plum business opportunities overseas were only the result of his last name and willingness to trade access to his father for profit. Trump tried to do the same on stage but Biden wasn’t rattled.
The debate continued for several more minutes. More barbs and more personal attacks followed. Both candidates regularly interrupted, and they kept doing so even as Wallace tried to bring the night to an end. “We are going to have to leave it there,” the moderator said, even as Trump kept speaking. “It has been an interesting hour and a half.”
More than anything, the 98 minutes marked the return of Trump as the chaos candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRYGn2g2RHw
The complete comment for the wantonly stupid fucked up!!!!!!!
You really make this too easy idiot!!!!!!!!
Anonymous Myballs said...
James do you ever have any thoughts of your own?
Look in the mirror ballz.......BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!.
Chris Wallace Faces Intense Backlash, Including From Colleagues, Over Bias During Debate
Fox News host Chris Wallace, a registered Democrat, faced intense backlash on Tuesday night for what was widely deemed as bias in the debate in the favor of Democrat Joe Biden and against Republican President Donald Trump.
One of the issues that Wallace was called out for the most was how he appeared to let Biden interrupt Trump but would jump in to interrupt Trump when Trump would talk over Biden.
...
Journalist Yashar Ali, who was Hillary Clinton’s co-chair on her 2008 presidential campaign, wrote on Twitter that there was “no doubt” that “Wallace is not doing a good job as a debate moderator.”
...
Newsweek editor Josh Hammer wrote on Twitter: “Just an inexcusable effort tonight from Chris Wallace. And I say that as someone who is generally a fan of his.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/chris-wallace-faces-intense-backlash-including-from-colleagues-over-bias-during-debate
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Federal co-founder Sean Davis wrote on Twitter: “Chris Wallace is now reading Biden’s energy plan back to him to remind Biden what’s in his plan. I have never, never seen anything like this from a moderator.”
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Conservative commentator Jesse Kelly wrote on Twitter: “Ok, I don’t generally nitpick moderators, but Chris Wallace asking Joe Biden about the ‘very fine people’ thing without bringing up that it’s a flat-out lie is an absolute embarrassment.”
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RealClearInvestigations Senior Writer Mark Hemingway wrote: “Chris Wallace calling critical race theory ‘racial sensitivity training’ is totally ignorant of what’s being taught. It is racist and anti-American. Appalling.”
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Political commentator Harry Khachatrian tweeted: “Chris Wallace chuckling and joking with Biden during the debate, mid-question is grossly unprofessional conduct from a moderator.”
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Daily Caller Editor in Chief Geoffrey Ingersoll wrote: “Chris Wallace calling critical race theory ‘racial sensitivity training’ is honestly f***ing sad. This s**t is not circa 1980s corporate hr seminars. Herding whites only into white privilege indoctrination is not ‘racial sensitivity.’ It’s racial insensitivity.”
more/others: https://www.dailywire.com/news/chris-wallace-faces-intense-backlash-including-from-colleagues-over-bias-during-debate
BIDEN: "Proud Boys."
TRUMP: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what. Somebody has to do something about antifa and the left. This is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem."
LOL.
proud boys.
yeah...
let me know when they start burning everything in sight, setting up chaz/chop zones, driving into crowds of people like a BLM leader did just a couple days ago...
and the list goes on.
trying to draw a moral equivalence between BLM/antifa and the proud boys is easily one of the most absurd and intellectually dishonest claims you could make.
and i completely expected you to make it alky.
embrace the suck of the domestic terrorists that live within your democrat party, alky.
own it.
"I don't know Beau. I know Hunter. Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out, dishonorably discharged for cocaine use," Trump continued.
indeed.
and he was awarded the silver crack pipe with pot leaf clusters.
LOL.
nice to see he finally manned up and settled with the stripper he knocked up.
driving into crowds of people like a BLM leader did just a couple days ago...
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Or that charlottesville killer from the right.......Sure rat....keep your head firmly planted up your ass!!!!!!! Maybe you can find the antifa leaders address and let us know!!!!!!! Idiot!!!!
and he was awarded the silver crack pipe with pot leaf clusters.
While you eat another 5 pounds of trump shit as he pays his cunt daughter 800k to look pretty!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Chris Wallace should have had a police whistle with him, and should have said to both candidates,
"If you interrupt the other fellow during his two minutes, I will blow this whistle and whistle you down, and that goes for you, Mr. Prwesident, and for you, Mr. Vice President.
"Neither of you is to interrupt the other, and I mean it. I will declare this debate at an end if you cannot observe this."
________________
I can tell you this, however. If that had been done, Biden would have come off looking even better.
and he was awarded the silver crack pipe with pot leaf clusters.
LOL.
nice to see he finally manned up and settled with the stripper he knocked up.
I saw Trump's kids in the audience.
Did I just miss Hunter ???
More dismal news for fucked up daddy and his minions......BWAAAAAAAAA!!!
Election 2020
Early surge of Democratic mail voting is raising alarm in GOP
Democratic voters are requesting and returning mail ballots at higher rates than Republicans in several key battleground states.
By Amy Gardner and Josh Dawsey
aw Trump's kids in the audience.
Yeah his retarded spawn acting like the bobble heads they are!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Too bad stormy did not get invited like trump did to clinton.......asshole
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