Four More Years of This? Karen Tumulty: “The nightmare that played out Tuesday evening on a debate stage in Cleveland served at least one useful purpose. It encapsulated, in a single 98-minute span, the entire presidency of Donald J. Trump.
“All of the impulses that drive Trump were unleashed: The lying. The rage. The bluster. The incoherence.
“It is hard to imagine that anyone but the most obdurate of partisans could have watched the spectacle and thought, Gee, wouldn’t it be great to have four more years of this?”
‘Portland Sheriff’ Says He ‘Will Never’ Support Trump President Trump claimed during last night’s debate that he secured the endorsement of the “Portland sheriff” — presumably a reference to Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese, the Oregonian reports.
However, Reese tweeted that was false: “In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the ‘Portland Sheriff’ supports him. As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.”
‘Will You Just Shut Up, Man?’ Susan Glasser: “What does the worst debate in American history look like? It looks like the debate that took place on Tuesday night between President Donald Trump and former Vice-President Joe Biden. It was a joke, a mess, a disaster. A ‘shit show,’ a ‘dumpster fire,’ a national humiliation. No matter how bad you thought the debate would be, it was worse. Way worse. Trump shouted, he bullied, he hectored, he lied, and he interrupted, over and over again.
“Remarkably enough, it was seemingly on purpose. Losing in the polls, and with the country stricken by a pandemic that has claimed two hundred thousand American lives, the President offered incoherent bluster, inflammatory racism, and personal attacks on his opponent’s son. But mostly what came through was Trump’s refusal to shut up. He talked and talked and talked. He talked over Biden. He talked over the moderator, Fox News’s Chris Wallace. He talked over Biden some more. How bad was it? The line that history is likely to record as among the most memorable was Biden’s lament, at the end of the debate’s very first segment: ‘Will you just shut up, man? This is so unpresidential.'”
Trump Still Can’t Make the Race About Biden Jonathan Allen: “Trump’s words and actions are those of a candidate who knows he is losing and has no idea how to fix the problem.”
“The irony is that Biden was deeply vulnerable: after decades of experience at the highest levels, he’s still not a strong debater. He was noticeably apprehensive; he lacked the motivation and speed to brawl on stage; and he still didn’t have good answers for a host of questions about his record and platform.
“But Trump couldn’t or wouldn’t stay focused on Biden’s actual positions. Instead, he ran against a dark caricature of the former vice president while the real version was standing right there smiling.”
Trump Burns the First Debate Down James Poniewozik: “The advantage to being the one who derails a debate is that people assign symmetrical blame for asymmetrical behavior. They throw up their hands and complain about the bickering from ‘both sides.'
“So let’s be clear here: If the first debate was a dumpster fire, it is the president whose hands were stained with kerosene.”
But you have yet to quote anyone who can provide any reason to vote for Biden (other than he is not Trump). Even in their criticisms of Trump your own quotes admit that Biden didn't make any real points during the debate and didn't provide any real good answers to many questions. He refused to even answer several questions, including whether or not he supports court packing and he still pretends that the protests and riots are not the fault of BLM and Antifa (and refuses to call out either).
Biden was completely overrun and made to look weak, frustrated, and out of sorts. He offered almost nothing of substance. It seems nobody can come up with a list of effective Biden arguments, good responses, or even preplanned zingers that made him look good.
Pretty much "everyone" agrees with this, even those most ardent Biden supporters.
The reality is that Trump steamrolled over Biden and as much as you can dominate someone with just a sense of a bigger presence, Trump did so.
Now the argument you (and some, but not all of your ilk) is making is that the manner in which Trump dominated was the problem. That the very fact that he spent the vast majority of the debate acting like an Alpha wolf trying to prove that the other wolves are weaker and should not replace him as Alpha was what made Biden the winner.
So let's be clear. One could argue that Trump put out a negative vibe that may or may not have turned off certain people... but there is literally no logical or realistic or tangible manner in which to say that Biden outdebated anyone last night. You actually have to make a point (not just be the loser of a drunken bar brawl that people feel sorry for) to claim victory. Biden made none.
How this plays out over time... well we forget about the details and remember the bigger picture. I don't believe there is any argument over what it will be. Just how that is perceived.
Biden looked like the President, Trump looked like a desperate politician who knows he's losing.
This is fucking ridiculous
Biden was completely overrun and made to look weak, frustrated, and out of sorts. He offered almost nothing of substance. It seems nobody can come up with a list of effective Biden arguments, good responses, or even preplanned zingers that made him look good. You probably didn't watch it, instead you checked out right wing websites
I feel a bit guilty for putting in so many anti Trump reviews of the debate, so if the dear reader would like, he or she could go to RealClearPolitics.com and read the following two articles that argue that Trump sort of maybe almost kind of (but maybe didn't) win the first debate:
"Fifteen Reasons Biden (Probably) Won First the Debate" by Eric Levitz, New York Magazine
"Joe Biden: The Weak Leading the Woke" by William Voegeli, Claremont Review of Books
Nobody "won" the debate last night. But the debate did either reinforce old gut feelings or create new gut feelings about the two candidates.
Trump proved that he is still a bully, unconventional, obnoxious, condescending, and if he is elected again will continue to be all that for another four years.
Biden didn't either live up to being either a "fighter" or "reassuring" as a non-chaotic alternative. He did a poor job "standing up" to Trump, but offered enough name-calling and combativeness to have forfeited the idea that he is some sort of calming influence.
So since most everyone is convinced that this race is Biden's to lose... I would offer that those convinced of the idea that Biden can simply ride the rapids to victory, then you might be happy about last night. You can (as most on left suggest) demand that at worst it was an ugly draw that doesn't move the needle. Or that Trump might have even "lost" because he was obnoxious. That's all he was hoping for... right?
If you are still not convinced that Biden has already won and still needs to offer people a good reason to "switch horses in midstream" then he did very little to convince anyone that he is the man for the job. I don't see how you argue that he helped himself (independent of the thinking that Trump hurt himself).
Every debate "winner" has a half dozen lines, zingers, new points, on the fly retorts, or something that clear cut made them look good to the general audience.
Without mentioning "Trump":
Provide us the six key Biden moments of glory?
I won't answer any more of your questions till you provide me with those six glory moments.
Biden was completely overrun and made to look weak
Sorry Denny...that's not an opinion. That is a fact that is basically conceded by everyone. The complaint is that Trump looked "bad" doing it, which is a point I am not disagreeing with.
I have yet to read anyone saying that Biden was the more persuasive debater or that any of that mattered. All I hear from those who believe it went well for Biden was that it did so because Trump harmed himself, which I believe is a valid argument.
The real question now... is who it harms more moving forward?
Trump for being a bully and obnoxious or Biden for taking the bait, but still managing to look fairly weak trying to fight back.
Biden had no answer to Trump's law and order attack, Trump's court packing and filibuster attack, or his attack regarding jobs during Biden's future economy shutdown, which he admitted he would do.
Now our mouth of the south providing opinion from the hollywood reporter.....a worse source than his Dr. Malcolm Kendrick, the whacko doctor!!!!!!!l The only thing holding back the trump economy now is people spending money at amusement parks....LOLOLLLOLO
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! It is your opinion you dumb ass!!!!!! Trump looked like a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum and ignoring the rules he agreed to.....That Lil Schitty is also fact and not opinion!!!!!!! Interrupting the others words is a sign of immaturity which was in full view for all and well discussed by most reports....except for you.....LOLOLOLO
CH SAYS: Let's ask it this way Reverend. Every debate "winner" has a half dozen lines, zingers, new points, on the fly retorts, or something that clear cut made them look good to the general audience.
Without mentioning "Trump": Provide us the six key Biden moments of glory? I won't answer any more of your questions till you provide me with those six glory moments. _____________
In the article I just referenced, Susan Crabtree mentions several moments when Biden looked very good.
You ask me for a list and I may eventually provide you with such a list, but first I will point out what I have said before and what some others have said:
Several of Biden's best moments came when he was looking right at the camera, at the American public, and showing concern for them, letting them know how much he cared and how he was going to put them first concerning the huge difficulties we are going through.
Trump, on the other hand, was always looking at either Biden or Wallace and being overly aggressive as he attacked Biden and extravagantly defended himself.
I can see the Reverend now (who doesn't think for himself) combing PoliticalWire and the rest of his liberal sources looking for someone who can provide for us all of the great Biden moments from last night's debate.
Unfortunately for the Reverend, most everythign will find is the same drivel posted by Denny here... Biden supporters calling Trump names and demanding that Biden won the debate for showing up and because he wasn't as obnoxious as Trump.
But on queue... he provides a cut and paste about something so non-descript that the person citing Biden's best moments cannot even remember what he was talking about?
Wallace "running interference"? All Wallace was trying to do was try to get both speakers to let the other speak without interruption.
The fact that Trump interrupted Biden SEVENTY-FIVE TIMES (I heard) may have made it seem that Wallace was being "hard" on poor would be bully Trump for insisting that he could not be allowed to completely disregard what was supposed to be two minutes of uninterrupted speaking by either, as both campaigns had agreed to.
Ch, all I have to do is go back and look at what was said in the debate. There were some good Biden moments. I do not need liberal commentators to point them out to me. I can find them in the debate transcript for myself.
I will provide them when I am good and ready to, and meanwhile if you choose not to answer any other questions I may ask, fine with me.
I do think it is a little encouraging that you at least admit Trump was far too bullying.
WALLACE: "Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?"
TRUMP: "Sure. I'm willing to do that."
WALLACE: "Go ahead, sir."
TRUMP: "I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing. Not from the right wing."
WALLACE: "What are you saying?"
TRUMP: "I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace."
WALLACE: "Then do it, sir. Say it."
TRUMP: "What do you want to call them. Give me a name. Who do you want me to condemn?"
WALLACE: "White supremacists and right -- "
BIDEN: "Proud Boys."
TRUMP: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what. Somebody has to do something about antifa and the left. This is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem."
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) told CNN that it was a “huge mistake” for President Trump not to condemn white supremacy during the first presidential debate.
Said Santorum: “But for some reason, he didn’t and I think that was a huge gaffe. And it’s been typical of the president when he gets backed into a corner he doesn’t like to be forced to say something. He made a huge mistake.”
Biden Hits New Spending Highs In Battleground States
“Joe Biden’s campaign has long had the TV and radio spending advantage over President Trump. But while Trump has increased his spending in a handful of key states, Biden’s campaign is hitting new, weekly spending highs across the map,” NBC News reports.
“The Biden campaign spent more in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin during the week spanning Sept. 22-28 than it had in those states in any previous week.
“The Trump campaign hit new, weekly spending highs in four states during the week of Sept. 22 — Florida, Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania. But even so, Team Trump still spent millions less than Biden in all but Georgia.” _______
The Reverend provided just another example of how the left feel that Biden won the debate based on how they might be perceived, not in terms of what was argued.
When someone suggests that Biden's best moments were when he "looked at the camera" they are not suggesting it was "what he said" but rather "how he acted". There was even a comparison about how Trump was interacting with Wallace and Biden vs the "camera".
The very idea of large debate moments is that they are obvious and memorable. People don't forget them. For great debate moments, we remember then for years. For the average everyday debate that has it's moments, we at least remember them the next morning.
The fact that the Reverend admits that he must go "back to the transcripts" is proof of what I say. There is nothing he remembers or can provide that Joe Biden said last night that resonated enough for him to just remember (without looking at his notes).
To be clear, I have not state that I believe Trump won the debate. I have clearly stated over and over that I don't believe that the actual debate had a clear "winner".
The only question has to do with which candidate benefits from the overall reaction of the debate. Something that might not be known for a bit. Al Gore might have wiped the floor with Bush and even won many of the debate polls, but what people remember was the constant sighing and it seemed to harm him in the polling afterwards.
Does Trump lose because he looked obnoxious and confrontational? Does Biden lose because he looked weak and not in control? Do they both lose and if so, who loses more?
Wallace loses the most... Not just wow he didn't keep control, but in the manner in which he asks spectacularly stupid quesitons. Let's explore the concept that he brought up the "Proud Boys" who 95% of the Country had to go look up on the internet because they never heard of them before and attempts to treat this obscure group who has probably never assembled more than a hundred people in one place... with blm and antifa who has literally caused billions of dollars in damage.
Nobody viewing that is going to believe the concept that Trump needs to condemn the "proud boys" who have destroyed "nothing" while Biden gets a free pass with his support of blm and antifa. The Moderator of a debate can control the questions, but he cannot change reality.
BTW, Ch, I just looked at a couple of portions of the debate and am impressed at how often Biden smiled, chuckled, and even laughed at Trump's preposterous claims.
Your thinking is off the rails, Lil Schitty.....Trump lost the most with his fact less lying and BS.....The Portland sheriff did not endorse trump like he said.....Now you jump on the bandwagon that the questions were stupid....like asking trump to denounce white terrorists was typical of his evasions.....The fact you think trump brought up Proud boys is most amusing.....his stand back and stand by was inciting these armed assholes to action....Like the 17 year old killer punk he didn't denounce and you defend....Yes, this is the end of the GOP as a functioning entity....Trumps own ego and stupidity are the driving force for it's troubles...You saying the proud boys have done nothing is most amusing.....sad how little of your mind is left!!!! BTW,,,,,Wallace did control the question, trump was the one who acted like an ass...
Republican Senator Mitt Romney said 'of course' President Donald Trump should have condemned white supremacists during the presidential debate Tuesday night.
'Of course, of course,' Romney, who's openly criticized Trump when he disagrees with the president, told reporters on Capitol Hill Wednesday morning.
CHT has refused to say anything about it because he is a coward
Trump got Biden to repudiate the green new deal, repudiate Bernie Sanders, admit he was going to raise taxes, admit he woyld shutdown the economy again, and show that he would pack the court and eliminate the filibuster.
This is why the liberal mefia wants Biden to cancel the other debates. He looked old and weak.
The debate was bad for Trump, not really all that good for Biden, bad for moderator Chris Wallace, bad for the viewers at home, and bad for our system of government. The only people who had a good night were the far-right extremist Proud Boys.
Nobody viewing that is going to believe the concept that Trump needs to condemn the "proud boys" who have destroyed "nothing" while Biden gets a free pass with his support of blm and antifa.
precisely. it's a straw man with its basis in a desperate reach for moral equivalence.
so far we have $2 BILLION in destruction thanks to BLM/antifa. and that's just the amount that's insured.
the proud boys are responsible for exactly NONE of that, alky.
Ch asked me to name a few outstanding statements or moments for Biden. Here are a few. I might want to add others later:
"He's Putin's puppy."
On Trump not requiring masks and distancing at his rallies: "He's been totally irresponsible ... He's a fool on this."
When favoring the wealthy through taxes, Biden said, "You're the worst president America has ever had."
On Trump's interruptions: "Will you just shut up, man?" "Will you just shush for a minute?" "It's hard to get any word in with this clown."
On Biden "destroying the suburbs": "He wouldn't know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn."
One of Biden's best moments came when Trump tried to criticize Hunter. Looking right at the camera, Biden said: "This is not about our families. It's about YOUR family" (America's families)
Wallace asked Trump, "Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in Kenosha, and as we've seen in Portland?"
Trump didn't get Biden to admit he would shutdown the economy again, and show that he would pack the court and eliminate the filibuster.
He didn't actually say anything that ballsless said before.
He would raise the taxes on people who make more than $400,000 per year.
He didn't endorse the New Green Deal but he did endorse replacement of gasoline power vehicles by 2035 and building the infrastructure to provide recharging locations across America and creating millions of well paying jobs!
Former GOP Governor and RNC Chair Will Vote for Biden
Former Montana governor and Republican National Committee Chair Marc Racicot (R) said he would not vote for President Trump, citing Trump’s character as fault enough to vote for Democrat challenger Joe Biden on Nov. 3, the Missoulian reports.
Biden spoke into the camera and he connected to the voters.
Trump looked like a desperate man who knows that he's losing control, and he kept speaking over the comments by Biden. The look on his face was a window into a dark future.
So basically the Reverend points to a bunch of insults of Trump as the key moments of the Biden debate, which just clarifies that there were no real moments where Biden stood out as a matter of policy or anything tangible.
I thought I suggested that the Reverend come up with Key Biden moments that did not involve "Trump" - but that is probably just too much to ask for.
From my own standpoint, I have a strong recollection of Trump quoting Ginsburg as well as using Biden's own words against him in the USSC nomination topic (probably the on that stayed somewhat on topic for a while). The line where he stated that everyone knows that the Democrats would have done the same thing (only quicker) stood out.
Trump actually was able to remind the public multiple times that initial estimates suggested that 2 million Americans could have died (which puts 200,000 in perspective), and quoted Dr Fauci who stated that Trump saved thousands of lives with his early travel restrictions. He stated factually that Democratic Governors (including Cuomo) have lauded his help.
Trump brought up the whole Hunter deal (which Wallace was not going to do) which helped steer things in that direction.
But the part that sticks out to me was how Trump just went ahead and had conversations with Wallace about his tax returnes while Biden weakenly attempted to heckle Trump by repeating his demand to release them... which Trump ignored like Biden was not even a fly worth swatting away. Proof that he could not get rattled because Biden was attempting to talk over him.
Scott, the President of the United States knew in February 7th that the virus was very dangerous and was easily transmitted by caugh and just breathing!
He cut flights from China, but he didn't shutdown the country and provided equipment,because he didn't want to cause panic in the stock market!
Bloomberg editorial: A Dismal Debate Underlines the Case Against Trump
Even by the standards of a bleak year, Tuesday night’s presidential debate was deeply dispiriting. Granted, it served in its way to confirm what voters already know, or ought to know, about President Donald Trump — that he’s a bloviating bully who says whatever comes into his head and cannot bear to hear anybody else speak.
But precisely for that reason, there was no real engagement with questions of policy. Worse, there was no sign that good-faith disagreement is any longer possible in American politics.
Presidential debates are rarely enlightening or apt to change voters’ minds, but this one marked a new low. It seemed all the more disgraceful coming amid a pandemic that has already claimed more than 200,000 lives. In truth, it suggested a political system on the point of collapse.
It would be wrong to blame the moderator, Chris Wallace, who did as much as anybody could to impose order and elicit thoughtful or informative answers.
Trump makes that a hopeless ambition.
The president interrupted former vice president Joe Biden continuously, and simply ignored the rules he’d agreed to and countless requests to let his rival make himself heard.
In future debates, supposing anybody can bring themselves to watch another, the moderators would do viewers a service by insisting on the right to turn microphones off if rules are broken.
Biden deserves credit for trying to debate according to normal standards — that is, by mentioning policy proposals and referring to facts.
In this gladiatorial setting, such an approach cannot succeed with Trump, but descending to the president’s level wouldn’t have succeeded either.
As a mark of respect for voters, Biden was right to make the effort.
At the end of this dismal evening, one brief moment of clarity appeared and is worth noting.
Both candidates were asked whether they would urge their supporters, in view of likely vote-counting delays, to be patient and wait calmly for the election results to be certified.
Trump equivocated.
Biden said yes.
Even if there weren’t a hundred other reasons to vote Trump out of office in November, that by itself would suffice.
Chris Wallace should have been able to cut the microphone for the President or Biden and let them speak without the President shouting out over and over again and
I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be allowed to perform his pesky shenanigans in the next debate, and for that reason Biden will come across even more obviously as the far better of the two.
I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be allowed to perform his pesky shenanigans in the next debate, and for that reason Biden will come across even more obviously as the far better of the two.
Maybe... or maybe Biden was helped out by the fact that he could use Trump interruptions as an excuse why he couldn't stay focused. The most relevant criticism I heard about Trump from Trump supporters was that he interrupted at times when they felt Biden was headed off into a word salad.
But from what I heard in the first debate, Biden has nothing new to say and will only be attempting to reinforce what he has already suggested. Trump may get another opportunity to move the conversation into places Biden doesn't want to go.
If round one is who can win a dirty boxing match, that was Trump. If everyone demands that the referee come in and break it up more often in round two, then we will see who has the better fighting skills at range.
Ch SAID: But the part that sticks out to me was how Trump just went ahead and had conversations with Wallace about his tax returnes(sic) while Biden weakenly(sic) attempted to heckle Trump by repeating his demand to release them... which Trump ignored like Biden was not even a fly worth swatting away. Proof that he could not get rattled because Biden was attempting to talk over him. __________
JAMES: Well, I guess Biden challenging Trump to put his tax records where his mouth is simply by releasing them and thus showing that what he claims is true--I guess that impressed others more than it did you,
Including the betting markets? Look what a jump the odds took between pre-debate yesterday and post-debate today.
Poll Finds Biden the Runaway Winner of First Debate
A new Data for Progress poll shows that debate viewers thought Joe Biden decisively won the first presidential debate against President Trump, by a 52% to 39% margin.
“The poll surveyed debate watchers but then weighted the demographics of the survey group to the population of likely voters in November.
Most pollsters don’t do this, which ends up skewing their results toward Democrats because left-leaning college graduates are disproportionately likely to watch debates.”
Quote of the Day “The country needs a strong Republican Party that’s done so much for our country, and to have it be hijacked as a cult at this time is really a sad thing for America.” — Speaker Nancy Pelosi, on Morning Joe. ___________
New House and Senate Forecasts
The Economist just launched a new U.S. Senate forecast which gives Democrats a 69% chance to win a majority of seats in the chamber.
The U.S. House forecast gives Democrats a 98% chance to keep their majority.
“As we're seeing tonight, Trump is more desperate—and dangerous—than ever before. On top of the bumbling bluster we heard tonight, Trump has repeatedly threatened to reject the results of the election, has suggested throwing out some mail-in ballots, and has even refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.
These are the goals of a desperate narcissist who knows that he can't win fair and square and who will stop at nothing to cling to power.”
They are also the goals of a man who believes getting Amy Coney Barrett on the Supreme Court will give him a majority to side with him on his plan to contest mail-in voting counted after November 3, as long as they have been postmarked by the third. After those votes, in Trump’s plan, are discarded by the right-wing Supreme Court with the security of Barrett’s vote in his pocket (if that happens), Trump believes they will appoint him president, using the 2000 SCOTUS decision that appointed Bush as their precedent.
CHRIS WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland.
DONALD TRUMP: Sure, I'm willing to do that.
CHRIS WALLACE: Are you prepared specifically to do it.
DONALD TRUMP: I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing.
CHRIS WALLACE: But what are you saying?
DONALD TRUMP: I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.
CHRIS WALLACE: Well, do it, sir.
JOE BIDEN: Say it, do it say it.
DONALD TRUMP: What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn.
CHRIS WALLACE: White supremacist and white militia.
DONALD TRUMP: Okay, boys stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing.
JOE BIDEN: He's own FBI Director said unlike white supremacist, Antifa is an idea not an organization-
DONALD TRUMP: Oh you got to be kidding me.
_______
So Trump actually says it three time (not twice) while Biden demands that Antifa is not a real thing.
It's basically this:
- Are you willing to condemn:
Yes
- But are you actually winning to condemn:
Sure I am willing to condemn them
- Well then why are you not condemning them?
what the fuck did I just do?
This is all about semantics. It's like arguing with my ex-wife.
Are you sorry about blah blah blah? - Yes, I am sorry about that. Well why don't you say you are sorry then? - I am sorry Well you don't really mean it so you are not sorry.
That whole line about Trump not condemning basically a non-existent group of "White supremacists" that have less than 0.000000001% to do with the rioting and destruction of our country is semantic nonsense. He has condemned them over and over and people will just ignore it and demand he do it in another way.
Meanwhile... Joe Biden will not even admit that antifa is a real thing, much less condemn or criticize those actions.
Why did you leave out the fact that when Trump asked for a name to call them, Biden specifically said a name, "Poor boys"? Why did you omit that?
And in your own version of the transcript, Trump did not even condemn the names that Wallace gave him, namely "white supremacists and white militia." He only said, "Okay, boys stand back and stand by," as if to encourage them to stand ready to do violence.
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BIDEN WON IT, HANDS DOWN.
Four More Years of This?
Karen Tumulty:
“The nightmare that played out Tuesday evening on a debate stage in Cleveland served at least one useful purpose. It encapsulated, in a single 98-minute span, the entire presidency of Donald J. Trump.
“All of the impulses that drive Trump were unleashed: The lying. The rage. The bluster. The incoherence.
“It is hard to imagine that anyone but the most obdurate of partisans could have watched the spectacle and thought, Gee, wouldn’t it be great to have four more years of this?”
‘Portland Sheriff’ Says He ‘Will Never’ Support Trump
President Trump claimed during last night’s debate that he secured the endorsement of the “Portland sheriff” — presumably a reference to Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese, the Oregonian reports.
However, Reese tweeted that was false: “In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the ‘Portland Sheriff’ supports him. As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.”
‘Will You Just Shut Up, Man?’
Susan Glasser:
“What does the worst debate in American history look like? It looks like the debate that took place on Tuesday night between President Donald Trump and former Vice-President Joe Biden. It was a joke, a mess, a disaster. A ‘shit show,’ a ‘dumpster fire,’ a national humiliation. No matter how bad you thought the debate would be, it was worse. Way worse. Trump shouted, he bullied, he hectored, he lied, and he interrupted, over and over again.
“Remarkably enough, it was seemingly on purpose. Losing in the polls, and with the country stricken by a pandemic that has claimed two hundred thousand American lives, the President offered incoherent bluster, inflammatory racism, and personal attacks on his opponent’s son. But mostly what came through was Trump’s refusal to shut up. He talked and talked and talked. He talked over Biden. He talked over the moderator, Fox News’s Chris Wallace. He talked over Biden some more. How bad was it? The line that history is likely to record as among the most memorable was Biden’s lament, at the end of the debate’s very first segment: ‘Will you just shut up, man? This is so unpresidential.'”
Trump Still Can’t Make the Race About Biden
Jonathan Allen:
“Trump’s words and actions are those of a candidate who knows he is losing and has no idea how to fix the problem.”
“The irony is that Biden was deeply vulnerable: after decades of experience at the highest levels, he’s still not a strong debater. He was noticeably apprehensive; he lacked the motivation and speed to brawl on stage; and he still didn’t have good answers for a host of questions about his record and platform.
“But Trump couldn’t or wouldn’t stay focused on Biden’s actual positions. Instead, he ran against a dark caricature of the former vice president while the real version was standing right there smiling.”
*** ACTUAL RESULTS ***
(ignoring the lying POS "pastor" james's Goddard plagiarism )
https://twitter.com/ricktb/status/1311155468744626176
ROFLMFAO !!!
Trump Burns the First Debate Down
James Poniewozik:
“The advantage to being the one who derails a debate is that people assign symmetrical blame for asymmetrical behavior. They throw up their hands and complain about the bickering from ‘both sides.'
“So let’s be clear here: If the first debate was a dumpster fire, it is the president whose hands were stained with kerosene.”
Trump Burns the First Debate Down
September 30, 2020 at 9:27 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
Oh I see the lying POS plagiarizing "pastor" hasn't changed a bit.
Hit "refresh" over at political_lire and copy/paste it over here without mentioning him or his site, constantly.
What a fucking idiot.
ROFLMFAO !!!
I got a lot of what I put in the previous thread from RealClearPolitics.com.
ROFLMFAO!!!
Shitler is the most disrespectful human I've ever seen. No respect for the office of POTUS or anything else.
Maybe Ch would like to chime in here and tell us who HE thinks won the first debate.
Funny Reverend...
But you have yet to quote anyone who can provide any reason to vote for Biden (other than he is not Trump). Even in their criticisms of Trump your own quotes admit that Biden didn't make any real points during the debate and didn't provide any real good answers to many questions. He refused to even answer several questions, including whether or not he supports court packing and he still pretends that the protests and riots are not the fault of BLM and Antifa (and refuses to call out either).
Biden was completely overrun and made to look weak, frustrated, and out of sorts. He offered almost nothing of substance. It seems nobody can come up with a list of effective Biden arguments, good responses, or even preplanned zingers that made him look good.
Pretty much "everyone" agrees with this, even those most ardent Biden supporters.
The reality is that Trump steamrolled over Biden and as much as you can dominate someone with just a sense of a bigger presence, Trump did so.
Now the argument you (and some, but not all of your ilk) is making is that the manner in which Trump dominated was the problem. That the very fact that he spent the vast majority of the debate acting like an Alpha wolf trying to prove that the other wolves are weaker and should not replace him as Alpha was what made Biden the winner.
So let's be clear. One could argue that Trump put out a negative vibe that may or may not have turned off certain people... but there is literally no logical or realistic or tangible manner in which to say that Biden outdebated anyone last night. You actually have to make a point (not just be the loser of a drunken bar brawl that people feel sorry for) to claim victory. Biden made none.
How this plays out over time... well we forget about the details and remember the bigger picture. I don't believe there is any argument over what it will be. Just how that is perceived.
Approval rating
RCP Average 9/17 - 9/28 45.0 52.9 -7.9
Rasmussen 9/24 - 9/28 47 52 -5
NYT/Siena 9/22 - 9/24 46 50 -4
ABC/WP 9/21 - 9/24 44 55 -11
Emerson 9/22 - 9/23 46 50 -4
YouGov 9/20 - 9/22 45 53 -8
Reuters 9/18 - 9/22 43 54 -11
The Hill 9/18 - 9/21 48 52 -4
CNBC 9/18 - 9/20 43 57 -14
Quinnipiac 9/17 - 9/21 43 53 -10
Your fucking crazy ass
Biden looked like the President, Trump looked like a desperate politician who knows he's losing.
This is fucking ridiculous
Biden was completely overrun and made to look weak, frustrated, and out of sorts. He offered almost nothing of substance. It seems nobody can come up with a list of effective Biden arguments, good responses, or even preplanned zingers that made him look good.
You probably didn't watch it, instead you checked out right wing websites
I feel a bit guilty for putting in so many anti Trump reviews of the debate, so if the dear reader would like, he or she could go to RealClearPolitics.com and read the following two articles that argue that Trump sort of maybe almost kind of (but maybe didn't) win the first debate:
"Fifteen Reasons Biden (Probably) Won First the Debate" by Eric Levitz, New York Magazine
"Joe Biden: The Weak Leading the Woke" by William Voegeli, Claremont Review of Books
He's lost his mind
So Ch thinks Trump won. (I'm smiling.)
Roger, for a long time we've been seeing how big a sell-out Ch is. Just one more example of that.
In other words Reverend...
Nobody "won" the debate last night. But the debate did either reinforce old gut feelings or create new gut feelings about the two candidates.
Trump proved that he is still a bully, unconventional, obnoxious, condescending, and if he is elected again will continue to be all that for another four years.
Biden didn't either live up to being either a "fighter" or "reassuring" as a non-chaotic alternative. He did a poor job "standing up" to Trump, but offered enough name-calling and combativeness to have forfeited the idea that he is some sort of calming influence.
So since most everyone is convinced that this race is Biden's to lose... I would offer that those convinced of the idea that Biden can simply ride the rapids to victory, then you might be happy about last night. You can (as most on left suggest) demand that at worst it was an ugly draw that doesn't move the needle. Or that Trump might have even "lost" because he was obnoxious. That's all he was hoping for... right?
If you are still not convinced that Biden has already won and still needs to offer people a good reason to "switch horses in midstream" then he did very little to convince anyone that he is the man for the job. I don't see how you argue that he helped himself (independent of the thinking that Trump hurt himself).
Biden looked like the President
yeah, FDR in a fucking wheelchair.
I must say, I would have thought Ch was still capable of some small shred of objectivity.
Guess not.
Daniel Garza
@danielggarza
Spanish speaking viewers of Telemundo expressed their preference of who won tonight’s presidential debate: 66% Trump 34% Biden.
https://twitter.com/danielggarza/status/1311139548706074626
explains some of the panic here
Let's ask it this way Reverend.
Every debate "winner" has a half dozen lines, zingers, new points, on the fly retorts, or something that clear cut made them look good to the general audience.
Without mentioning "Trump":
Provide us the six key Biden moments of glory?
I won't answer any more of your questions till you provide me with those six glory moments.
Next debate maybe Biden will take out his phone and start "slowly" dancing again.
Looks like that got him a lot of supporters.
ROFMLFAO !!!
Biden was completely overrun and made to look weak
Lil Schity high on magic mushromms.....BWAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Seems your minority view is getting smaller by the day!!!!!
So it’s Gaven
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Maybe Lil Schitty can provide the compelling reason a suburban women changed her mind to support trump......BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Here's an article that was pretty tough on both candidates:
"Biden Survives Trump's Steamroller,"by Susan Crabtree, RealClearPolitics staff writer
Biden was completely overrun and made to look weak
Sorry Denny...that's not an opinion. That is a fact that is basically conceded by everyone. The complaint is that Trump looked "bad" doing it, which is a point I am not disagreeing with.
I have yet to read anyone saying that Biden was the more persuasive debater or that any of that mattered. All I hear from those who believe it went well for Biden was that it did so because Trump harmed himself, which I believe is a valid argument.
The real question now... is who it harms more moving forward?
Trump for being a bully and obnoxious or Biden for taking the bait, but still managing to look fairly weak trying to fight back.
Biden had no answer to Trump's law and order attack, Trump's court packing and filibuster attack, or his attack regarding jobs during Biden's future economy shutdown, which he admitted he would do.
Now our mouth of the south providing opinion from the hollywood reporter.....a worse source than his Dr. Malcolm Kendrick, the whacko doctor!!!!!!!l The only thing holding back the trump economy now is people spending money at amusement parks....LOLOLLLOLO
Sorry Denny...that's not an opinion.
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! It is your opinion you dumb ass!!!!!! Trump looked like a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum and ignoring the rules he agreed to.....That Lil Schitty is also fact and not opinion!!!!!!! Interrupting the others words is a sign of immaturity which was in full view for all and well discussed by most reports....except for you.....LOLOLOLO
Sorry Denny...that's not an opinion. That is a fact that is basically conceded by everyone.
i just talked to a good friend - a virulent anti-Trumper (but an honest one) and he made a good point:
"I can only imagine how much worse it would've been for Joe if he didn't have Wallace running interference for him."
CH SAYS:
Let's ask it this way Reverend.
Every debate "winner" has a half dozen lines, zingers, new points, on the fly retorts, or something that clear cut made them look good to the general audience.
Without mentioning "Trump":
Provide us the six key Biden moments of glory?
I won't answer any more of your questions till you provide me with those six glory moments.
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In the article I just referenced, Susan Crabtree mentions several moments when Biden looked very good.
You ask me for a list and I may eventually provide you with such a list, but first I will point out what I have said before and what some others have said:
Several of Biden's best moments came when he was looking right at the camera, at the American public, and showing concern for them, letting them know how much he cared and how he was going to put them first concerning the huge difficulties we are going through.
Trump, on the other hand, was always looking at either Biden or Wallace and being overly aggressive as he attacked Biden and extravagantly defended himself.
Big advantage for Biden, right there.
I can see the Reverend now (who doesn't think for himself) combing PoliticalWire and the rest of his liberal sources looking for someone who can provide for us all of the great Biden moments from last night's debate.
Unfortunately for the Reverend, most everythign will find is the same drivel posted by Denny here... Biden supporters calling Trump names and demanding that Biden won the debate for showing up and because he wasn't as obnoxious as Trump.
But on queue... he provides a cut and paste about something so non-descript that the person citing Biden's best moments cannot even remember what he was talking about?
Fatty I understand you can’t read nor comprehend but that’s directly from Walt Disney Co.
LOL, rat (rrb).
Wallace "running interference"? All Wallace was trying to do was try to get both speakers to let the other speak without interruption.
The fact that Trump interrupted Biden SEVENTY-FIVE TIMES (I heard) may have made it seem that Wallace was being "hard" on poor would be bully Trump for insisting that he could not be allowed to completely disregard what was supposed to be two minutes of uninterrupted speaking by either, as both campaigns had agreed to.
The fact that Trump interrupted Biden SEVENTY-FIVE TIMES (I heard)
More like made up
Thank god I had Anthony Bourdaine reruns to watch
Ch, all I have to do is go back and look at what was said in the debate. There were some good Biden moments. I do not need liberal commentators to point them out to me. I can find them in the debate transcript for myself.
I will provide them when I am good and ready to, and meanwhile if you choose not to answer any other questions I may ask, fine with me.
I do think it is a little encouraging that you at least admit Trump was far too bullying.
Blogger James said...
LOL, rat (rrb).
Wallace "running interference"?
not my opinion pederast. the opinion of a Biden supporter who watched it.
learn to read.
I believe it was on the BBC last night that I heard mentioned the number SEVENTY-FIVE as the number of Trump's interruptions.
There were some good Biden moments. I do not need liberal commentators to point them out to me. I can find them in the debate transcript for myself.
I will provide them when I am good and ready to
gee pederast, that's a mouthful. just say "when Goddard posts them."
saves time.
Rat, I don't care who said it, my response remains valid imho.
President Trump declined to condemn white supremacist groups during Tuesday night’s presidential debate, even when repeatedly pressed to do so.
He could have condemned the Good Boys, but he needs them to intimidate voters who won't vote for him.
Proud Boys
This made rrb orgasm.
WALLACE: "Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?"
TRUMP: "Sure. I'm willing to do that."
WALLACE: "Go ahead, sir."
TRUMP: "I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing. Not from the right wing."
WALLACE: "What are you saying?"
TRUMP: "I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace."
WALLACE: "Then do it, sir. Say it."
TRUMP: "What do you want to call them. Give me a name. Who do you want me to condemn?"
WALLACE: "White supremacists and right -- "
BIDEN: "Proud Boys."
TRUMP: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what. Somebody has to do something about antifa and the left. This is not a right-wing problem. This is a left-wing problem."
that’s directly from Walt Disney Co.
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! SOME OF IT WAS!!!!!!!!!1 BTW asshole......Florida is 100% open.....crowds are at 50% sadly, that ain't enough for disney to make $
Santorum Says Trump Made a ‘Huge Mistake’
Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) told CNN that it was a “huge mistake” for President Trump not to condemn white supremacy during the first presidential debate.
Said Santorum: “But for some reason, he didn’t and I think that was a huge gaffe. And it’s been typical of the president when he gets backed into a corner he doesn’t like to be forced to say something. He made a huge mistake.”
Biden Hits New Spending Highs In Battleground States
“Joe Biden’s campaign has long had the TV and radio spending advantage over President Trump. But while Trump has increased his spending in a handful of key states, Biden’s campaign is hitting new, weekly spending highs across the map,” NBC News reports.
“The Biden campaign spent more in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin during the week spanning Sept. 22-28 than it had in those states in any previous week.
“The Trump campaign hit new, weekly spending highs in four states during the week of Sept. 22 — Florida, Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania. But even so, Team Trump still spent millions less than Biden in all but Georgia.”
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BTW, the Kansas Senate race is looking close.
The Reverend provided just another example of how the left feel that Biden won the debate based on how they might be perceived, not in terms of what was argued.
When someone suggests that Biden's best moments were when he "looked at the camera" they are not suggesting it was "what he said" but rather "how he acted". There was even a comparison about how Trump was interacting with Wallace and Biden vs the "camera".
The very idea of large debate moments is that they are obvious and memorable. People don't forget them. For great debate moments, we remember then for years. For the average everyday debate that has it's moments, we at least remember them the next morning.
The fact that the Reverend admits that he must go "back to the transcripts" is proof of what I say. There is nothing he remembers or can provide that Joe Biden said last night that resonated enough for him to just remember (without looking at his notes).
CH and the racist rodent bastard believe that the President wasn't a racist
"This is a left-wing problem."
He refuses to condemn a right wing heavily armed anti semitic anti women's rights, and homophobia, because he is a racist person.
Biden showed a Presidential candidate.
Trump was desperate.
To be clear, I have not state that I believe Trump won the debate. I have clearly stated over and over that I don't believe that the actual debate had a clear "winner".
The only question has to do with which candidate benefits from the overall reaction of the debate. Something that might not be known for a bit. Al Gore might have wiped the floor with Bush and even won many of the debate polls, but what people remember was the constant sighing and it seemed to harm him in the polling afterwards.
Does Trump lose because he looked obnoxious and confrontational?
Does Biden lose because he looked weak and not in control?
Do they both lose and if so, who loses more?
Wallace loses the most... Not just wow he didn't keep control, but in the manner in which he asks spectacularly stupid quesitons. Let's explore the concept that he brought up the "Proud Boys" who 95% of the Country had to go look up on the internet because they never heard of them before and attempts to treat this obscure group who has probably never assembled more than a hundred people in one place... with blm and antifa who has literally caused billions of dollars in damage.
Nobody viewing that is going to believe the concept that Trump needs to condemn the "proud boys" who have destroyed "nothing" while Biden gets a free pass with his support of blm and antifa. The Moderator of a debate can control the questions, but he cannot change reality.
20 minutes after the debate, he posted that he was debating with Chris Wallace and Joe Biden. He believes that everyone is out of get him.
Donald Trump has change reality in Scott's mind.
Trump could have condemned White supremacist groups, and he said they need to get ready.
The implementation is to get ready to start a civil war
BTW, Ch, I just looked at a couple of portions of the debate and am impressed at how often Biden smiled, chuckled, and even laughed at Trump's preposterous claims.
Trump did nothing but scowl and act scornful.
Big advantage Biden.
This is the evidence in CH previous comments that he's following orders from the President
I watched the entire debate, CH hasn't said if he actually watched it live.
Wallace loses the most..
Your thinking is off the rails, Lil Schitty.....Trump lost the most with his fact less lying and BS.....The Portland sheriff did not endorse trump like he said.....Now you jump on the bandwagon that the questions were stupid....like asking trump to denounce white terrorists was typical of his evasions.....The fact you think trump brought up Proud boys is most amusing.....his stand back and stand by was inciting these armed assholes to action....Like the 17 year old killer punk he didn't denounce and you defend....Yes, this is the end of the GOP as a functioning entity....Trumps own ego and stupidity are the driving force for it's troubles...You saying the proud boys have done nothing is most amusing.....sad how little of your mind is left!!!! BTW,,,,,Wallace did control the question, trump was the one who acted like an ass...
The National Review said that there should not have any more debates, because the President would destroy himself
I sent the pictures of the proud Boys logo to ch. But he didn't post it here
Republican Senator Mitt Romney said 'of course' President Donald Trump should have condemned white supremacists during the presidential debate Tuesday night.
'Of course, of course,' Romney, who's openly criticized Trump when he disagrees with the president, told reporters on Capitol Hill Wednesday morning.
CHT has refused to say anything about it because he is a coward
Trump is a white supremacist. He started his campaign based upon Birtherism.
Chris Wallace made the President look like a racist person, according to Scott A**hole
Trump got Biden to repudiate the green new deal, repudiate Bernie Sanders, admit he was going to raise taxes, admit he woyld shutdown the economy again, and show that he would pack the court and eliminate the filibuster.
This is why the liberal mefia wants Biden to cancel the other debates. He looked old and weak.
The debate was bad for Trump, not really all that good for Biden, bad for moderator Chris Wallace, bad for the viewers at home, and bad for our system of government. The only people who had a good night were the far-right extremist Proud Boys.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-debate-dumpster-fire/
You already said that you didn't watch it, so you have no credibility to comment
I didn't say I didn't watch it. I did watch it.
No one gives a damn about the proud boys. They're not the ones burning down our cities over the last 4 months.
Nobody viewing that is going to believe the concept that Trump needs to condemn the "proud boys" who have destroyed "nothing" while Biden gets a free pass with his support of blm and antifa.
precisely. it's a straw man with its basis in a desperate reach for moral equivalence.
so far we have $2 BILLION in destruction thanks to BLM/antifa. and that's just the amount that's insured.
the proud boys are responsible for exactly NONE of that, alky.
Ch asked me to name a few outstanding statements or moments for Biden. Here are a few. I might want to add others later:
"He's Putin's puppy."
On Trump not requiring masks and distancing at his rallies: "He's been totally irresponsible ... He's a fool on this."
When favoring the wealthy through taxes, Biden said, "You're the worst president America has ever had."
On Trump's interruptions: "Will you just shut up, man?" "Will you just shush for a minute?" "It's hard to get any word in with this clown."
On Biden "destroying the suburbs": "He wouldn't know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn."
One of Biden's best moments came when Trump tried to criticize Hunter. Looking right at the camera, Biden said:
"This is not about our families. It's about YOUR family" (America's families)
Wallace asked Trump, "Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in Kenosha, and as we've seen in Portland?"
Trump responded, “Sure.”
“Then do it,” Biden said. [Trump didn't.]
Trump didn't get Biden to admit he would shutdown the economy again, and show that he would pack the court and eliminate the filibuster.
He didn't actually say anything that ballsless said before.
He would raise the taxes on people who make more than $400,000 per year.
He didn't endorse the New Green Deal but he did endorse replacement of gasoline power vehicles by 2035 and building the infrastructure to provide recharging locations across America and creating millions of well paying jobs!
FBI director Wray said the Antifa is a movement, not an armed terrorist organization like the Proud Boys.
Your a fascistic person
Former GOP Governor and RNC Chair Will Vote for Biden
Former Montana governor and Republican National Committee Chair Marc Racicot (R) said he would not vote for President Trump, citing Trump’s character as fault enough to vote for Democrat challenger Joe Biden on Nov. 3, the Missoulian reports.
Yes he did.
Hey, guys.
Look what just happened to the latest betting odds:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/
Biden spoke into the camera and he connected to the voters.
Trump looked like a desperate man who knows that he's losing control, and he kept speaking over the comments by Biden. The look on his face was a window into a dark future.
I actually watched it live.
You said that you didn't watch it. So you have no credibility.
Roger Amick said...
FBI director Wray said the Antifa is a movement, not an armed terrorist organization like the Proud Boys.
wray's an assclown. expect him to be shitcanned directly after the election regardless of whether Trump wins or not.
BLM/antifa have BILLION$ in terrorist damage, death and destruction to their name.
the proud boys have zero.
The graphic shows a blue line tsunami
Wray was appointed by President Trump
Seig Heil Mr. Twitterhitler!
the pederast and the alky are PANICKED.
it's palpable.
heh.
So basically the Reverend points to a bunch of insults of Trump as the key moments of the Biden debate, which just clarifies that there were no real moments where Biden stood out as a matter of policy or anything tangible.
I thought I suggested that the Reverend come up with Key Biden moments that did not involve "Trump" - but that is probably just too much to ask for.
From my own standpoint, I have a strong recollection of Trump quoting Ginsburg as well as using Biden's own words against him in the USSC nomination topic (probably the on that stayed somewhat on topic for a while). The line where he stated that everyone knows that the Democrats would have done the same thing (only quicker) stood out.
Trump actually was able to remind the public multiple times that initial estimates suggested that 2 million Americans could have died (which puts 200,000 in perspective), and quoted Dr Fauci who stated that Trump saved thousands of lives with his early travel restrictions. He stated factually that Democratic Governors (including Cuomo) have lauded his help.
Trump brought up the whole Hunter deal (which Wallace was not going to do) which helped steer things in that direction.
But the part that sticks out to me was how Trump just went ahead and had conversations with Wallace about his tax returnes while Biden weakenly attempted to heckle Trump by repeating his demand to release them... which Trump ignored like Biden was not even a fly worth swatting away. Proof that he could not get rattled because Biden was attempting to talk over him.
He said that under oath!
Scott, the President of the United States knew in February 7th that the virus was very dangerous and was easily transmitted by caugh and just breathing!
He cut flights from China, but he didn't shutdown the country and provided equipment,because he didn't want to cause panic in the stock market!
Bloomberg editorial:
A Dismal Debate Underlines the Case Against Trump
Even by the standards of a bleak year, Tuesday night’s presidential debate was deeply dispiriting. Granted, it served in its way to confirm what voters already know, or ought to know, about President Donald Trump — that he’s a bloviating bully who says whatever comes into his head and cannot bear to hear anybody else speak.
But precisely for that reason, there was no real engagement with questions of policy. Worse, there was no sign that good-faith disagreement is any longer possible in American politics.
Presidential debates are rarely enlightening or apt to change voters’ minds, but this one marked a new low. It seemed all the more disgraceful coming amid a pandemic that has already claimed more than 200,000 lives. In truth, it suggested a political system on the point of collapse.
It would be wrong to blame the moderator, Chris Wallace, who did as much as anybody could to impose order and elicit thoughtful or informative answers.
Trump makes that a hopeless ambition.
The president interrupted former vice president Joe Biden continuously, and simply ignored the rules he’d agreed to and countless requests to let his rival make himself heard.
In future debates, supposing anybody can bring themselves to watch another, the moderators would do viewers a service by insisting on the right to turn microphones off if rules are broken.
Biden deserves credit for trying to debate according to normal standards — that is, by mentioning policy proposals and referring to facts.
In this gladiatorial setting, such an approach cannot succeed with Trump, but descending to the president’s level wouldn’t have succeeded either.
As a mark of respect for voters, Biden was right to make the effort.
At the end of this dismal evening, one brief moment of clarity appeared and is worth noting.
Both candidates were asked whether they would urge their supporters, in view of likely vote-counting delays, to be patient and wait calmly for the election results to be certified.
Trump equivocated.
Biden said yes.
Even if there weren’t a hundred other reasons to vote Trump out of office in November, that by itself would suffice.
Chris Wallace should have been able to cut the microphone for the President or Biden and let them speak without the President shouting out over and over again and
Scott, he’s a bloviating bully who says whatever comes into his head and cannot bear to hear anybody else speak.
And you don't care!
I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be allowed to perform his pesky shenanigans in the next debate, and for that reason Biden will come across even more obviously as the far better of the two.
Donald Trump won Michigan in 2016 by just 10,704 votes. That’s less than the 20% of times Trump has LIED while in office!
In November, I think that the people will have had enough of the chaos under Trump.
Even a lot of Republicans are struggling to feed their families. They have had to bury their parents and their children.
Biden is a regular guy, who came from a middle class family.
He's not a lefty, despite what ballsles and Scott say. He's from main street, not the 5th Avenue elite.
He's making a train campaign across the middle West.
He will carry the states Clinton lost.
I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be allowed to perform his pesky shenanigans in the next debate, and for that reason Biden will come across even more obviously as the far better of the two.
Maybe... or maybe Biden was helped out by the fact that he could use Trump interruptions as an excuse why he couldn't stay focused. The most relevant criticism I heard about Trump from Trump supporters was that he interrupted at times when they felt Biden was headed off into a word salad.
But from what I heard in the first debate, Biden has nothing new to say and will only be attempting to reinforce what he has already suggested. Trump may get another opportunity to move the conversation into places Biden doesn't want to go.
If round one is who can win a dirty boxing match, that was Trump. If everyone demands that the referee come in and break it up more often in round two, then we will see who has the better fighting skills at range.
Ch SAID: But the part that sticks out to me was how Trump just went ahead and had conversations with Wallace about his tax returnes(sic) while Biden weakenly(sic) attempted to heckle Trump by repeating his demand to release them... which Trump ignored like Biden was not even a fly worth swatting away. Proof that he could not get rattled because Biden was attempting to talk over him.
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JAMES: Well, I guess Biden challenging Trump to put his tax records where his mouth is simply by releasing them and thus showing that what he claims is true--I guess that impressed others more than it did you,
Including the betting markets? Look what a jump the odds took between pre-debate yesterday and post-debate today.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/
Would you say that the debate had something to do with that?
Ch says:
If round one is who can win a dirty boxing match, that was Trump.
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That's not what those betting markets seem to be saying, lol.
but he didn't shutdown the country
welcome to the concept of FEDERALISM, alky.
Trump COULDN'T constitutionally shut anything down lest he be declared the totalitarian dictator you constantly claim him to be.
you. dumb. fucking. hack.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1Ma7kNChbjHqNLbAPuWndLrFCTFaza0cY2FWgciXEfHUat64N4XfIlIRs&v=6MgfX81kWEU
Poll Finds Biden the Runaway Winner of First Debate
A new Data for Progress poll shows that debate viewers thought Joe Biden decisively won the first presidential debate against President Trump, by a 52% to 39% margin.
“The poll surveyed debate watchers but then weighted the demographics of the survey group to the population of likely voters in November.
Most pollsters don’t do this, which ends up skewing their results toward Democrats because left-leaning college graduates are disproportionately likely to watch debates.”
Having a bad day, Ch? ;-)
Quote of the Day
“The country needs a strong Republican Party that’s done so much for our country, and to have it be hijacked as a cult at this time is really a sad thing for America.”
— Speaker Nancy Pelosi, on Morning Joe.
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New House and Senate Forecasts
The Economist just launched a new U.S. Senate forecast which gives Democrats a 69% chance to win a majority of seats in the chamber.
The U.S. House forecast gives Democrats a 98% chance to keep their majority.
welcome to the concept of FEDERALISM, alky.
Trump COULDN'T constitutionally shut anything down lest he be declared the totalitarian dictator you constantly claim him to be.
you. dumb. fucking. hack.
Don’t forget the forgot the hospital ships sent to both coasts PPE sent everywhere.
They simply lie
And I don’t believe Roger is a divorcee, more likely a widower, the wives offed themselves to escape his boring ass
Roger, Cali is NWRT.
(Not Worth Responding To.)
Robert Reich wrote after the debate,
“As we're seeing tonight, Trump is more desperate—and dangerous—than ever before. On top of the bumbling bluster we heard tonight, Trump has repeatedly threatened to reject the results of the election, has suggested throwing out some mail-in ballots, and has even refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.
These are the goals of a desperate narcissist who knows that he can't win fair and square and who will stop at nothing to cling to power.”
They are also the goals of a man who believes getting Amy Coney Barrett on the Supreme Court will give him a majority to side with him on his plan to contest mail-in voting counted after November 3, as long as they have been postmarked by the third. After those votes, in Trump’s plan, are discarded by the right-wing Supreme Court with the security of Barrett’s vote in his pocket (if that happens), Trump believes they will appoint him president, using the 2000 SCOTUS decision that appointed Bush as their precedent.
He did shut it down in May
he couldn't stay focused
It is a lie
I actually watched it live, you didn't watch it at all
You got your talking points from the President Twitter feed
https://buzzflash.com/articles/whats-the-explanation-for-trumps-boorish-lying-hand-grenade-approach-to-debate-he-believes-barrett-and-other-scotus-judges-will-side-with-him-on-mail-in-ballots-and-appoint-him-president?fbclid=IwAR23wfjWpn9_KiXtGIBBPzW-WM285YGzFfPlN1LaRL5CozWtNYzdZk8JYIA
CHRIS WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland.
DONALD TRUMP: Sure, I'm willing to do that.
CHRIS WALLACE: Are you prepared specifically to do it.
DONALD TRUMP: I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing.
CHRIS WALLACE: But what are you saying?
DONALD TRUMP: I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.
CHRIS WALLACE: Well, do it, sir.
JOE BIDEN: Say it, do it say it.
DONALD TRUMP: What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn.
CHRIS WALLACE: White supremacist and white militia.
DONALD TRUMP: Okay, boys stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing.
JOE BIDEN: He's own FBI Director said unlike white supremacist, Antifa is an idea not an organization-
DONALD TRUMP: Oh you got to be kidding me.
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So Trump actually says it three time (not twice) while Biden demands that Antifa is not a real thing.
It's basically this:
- Are you willing to condemn:
Yes
- But are you actually winning to condemn:
Sure I am willing to condemn them
- Well then why are you not condemning them?
what the fuck did I just do?
This is all about semantics. It's like arguing with my ex-wife.
Are you sorry about blah blah blah?
- Yes, I am sorry about that.
Well why don't you say you are sorry then?
- I am sorry
Well you don't really mean it so you are not sorry.
That whole line about Trump not condemning basically a non-existent group of "White supremacists" that have less than 0.000000001% to do with the rioting and destruction of our country is semantic nonsense. He has condemned them over and over and people will just ignore it and demand he do it in another way.
Meanwhile... Joe Biden will not even admit that antifa is a real thing, much less condemn or criticize those actions.
Something is missing from your transcript, Ch.
Why did you leave out the fact that when Trump asked for a name to call them, Biden specifically said a name, "Poor boys"? Why did you omit that?
And in your own version of the transcript, Trump did not even condemn the names that Wallace gave him, namely "white supremacists and white militia." He only said, "Okay, boys stand back and stand by," as if to encourage them to stand ready to do violence.
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