Monday, August 15, 2022

Another point of hypocrisy? Bush and Obama exempted themselves from declassification protocols.

Arguments ad nauseum about how Trump did not follow proper declassification techniques fall in line with the classic "what is good for every other President is not okay for Trump". 

Other presidents have asserted exemptions from declassification authority. An order by former President George W. Bush stated such an exemption for “information originated” by a president. That order was reaffirmed by former President Obama in Executive Order 13526 in 2009 and expressly exempts presidents, vice presidents, their staffs and “other entities within the Executive Office of the President.”
If that standing declassification order existed, it ended with his presidency, of course. However, it still existed when these boxes were taken to the resort. There may also be complicating logistics for investigators: If the documents were taken out of the White House on the last day of his presidency, the classification markings on the cover pages and internal headings might not have been crossed out.
There has never been litigation on the scope of this exemption or a president’s declassification authority. Nor is it clear whether any standing order was disclosed to the judge who approved the FBI’s warrant — but it could create a threshold legal challenge to a criminal charge.

So apparently the two Presidents directly preceding Trump also exempted themselves from having to go through the declassification process. In fact, the Bush EO was "reaffirmed" by the Obama EO 13526. Unless Trump specifically overturned the Obama EO on the subject, the rules would have been put in place by Obama. Trump probably needed to do nothing other than follow these previous Presidential orders.  

That being said, he is claiming to have a standing order to declassify materials he took to Mar-a-Lago. While this has been universally denounced by many Trump haters, it would likely not be much different in scope to how other Presidents handling classified materials. Given the amount of time Presidents spend at their residence or at Camp David or any number of places. The idea that they could do their job as President while only viewing classified information within the White House is hard to fathom. How else could they do their jobs (view classified information) at alternate location without the express ability to declassify those documents to view at other locations? The concept that Trump refers to seems logical and necessary, not corrupt and nefarious (as is being described).

I get the sense that most of this stems from the lefts refusal to see Donald Trump as a legitimate President. The idea of Obama declassifying information and taking it somewhere to work with it does not bother them because in their minds he could be trusted with that authority. The fact that he took more materials with him when he left office than any other recent President should not be questioned, because (again) he could be trusted in those regards.  In their minds, the idea that Trump is entitled to that same authority or given the same trust is not really an acceptable standard or even an acceptable argument. He might have been a President, but not a real President like Obama and therefore cannot be given the same benefit of the doubt.


45 comments:

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

How many classified and/or top secret documents did Obama have in his possession after he was president? None.

How many classified and/or top secret documents did Trump have in his possesion after he was president? Many.

rrb said...



I get the sense that most of this stems from the lefts refusal to see Donald Trump as a legitimate President.

You're not the only one who thinks so -

More reflections on the Mar-A-Lago raid: Trump as an illegitimate president

https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/08/13/more-reflections-on-the-mar-a-lago-raid-trump-as-an-illegitimate-president/

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

They found illegal

Classified information concealed by the government comes with colorful cover sheets. At least that's according to documents unearthed by the Federation of American Scientists as a part of its Project on Government Secrecy. 

On Monday, FBI agents seized 11 sets of classified documents former President Donald Trump had stashed in his home office at Mar-a-Lago in Florida. 

Included in the documents was secret information that only those with government-issued security clearances had access to. Trump claimed the documents had been declassified as soon as he left office, but experts say there is no evidence he followed procedure to do so.

In ascending order of importance to national security, the levels of classified documents are Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret.


C.H. Truth said...

We don't know what Obama took with him...

and the FBI has not raided his warehouse looking for anything.



But we do know that Obama felt he was able to declassify documents without having to go through any form of declassification process. Sort of makes sense that a President who is on call 24-7 from anyplace in the world be able to view classified information without having to travel back to the White House or go through a complicated procedure and wait for some person he appointed to approve it...


Reverend..

Do you agree or disagree with Bush, Obama, and Trump who all believed they had the authority to declassify information...

or do you truly believe the liberal nonsense you are hearing today that a President must wait for some other person to review his request before he can officially view a document while not at the White House - or have to go through a procedure before he can show a classified document to someone without clearance?


Who do you believe is correct here Reverend?

C.H. Truth said...

Imagine the scenario...

The President of the United States is traveling abroad meeting with foreign leaders. An urgent issue arises with a possible nuclear attack. There are top secret documents from intelligence that will verify the imminent danger.


"Quick" the President states "get me that paperwork to declassify the materials so that I can view them outside of the White House. I will get them filled out and send them back to Bill in the declassification department who can review them and make sure that they are okay for me to view. It should only take a few... what? Bill is at the doctor's office right now and won't be back till 2:00 PM. Oh that sucks. Ask about Marge? She is on vacation? Henry is sick? Well damn it. Who can approve this for me so I can view this classified document outside of the protected area of the White House?"

C.H. Truth said...

On Monday, FBI agents seized 11 sets of classified documents former President Donald Trump had stashed in his home office at Mar-a-Lago in Florida.

Wonderful Roger...

Now tell us all how that differs from the FBI finding at least two Top Secret, multiple Secret, and a shitload of classified materials on Hillary's Personal Server?

Other than

1) Trump would have had the power to declassify his documents where as the SOS has no such authority?

2) Trump's documents were under a Secret Service lock and watch along with surveillance videos... while Hillary's server was unsecured and she accessed it with an unsecured Blackberry while outside of the United States pretty much guaranteeing that that information was hacked.


What was so much worse about the classified information today?


You voted for Clinton.

That means that having an American having Classified information where it wasn't supposed to be was perfectly acceptable to you five years ago.



rrb said...


Trump claimed the documents had been declassified as soon as he left office, but experts say there is no evidence he followed procedure to do so.


Ah. The 'experts' and what they 'say.'

In reality experts didn't say shit. Adam Schiff said that on a Sunday show yesterday. In fact, if the President declares them declassified, then they are. Period. Full stop.

Okay, folks.....who remembers President Trump's tweet from back in Oct. 2020?? Here it is! He said he DECLASSIFIED any and ALL docs pertaining to the Russia hoax AND the Hillary email scandal! And NO redactions, which makes him a very transparent President.

https://twitter.com/SicilianGirl208/status/1558505047209680897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1558505047209680897%7Ctwgr%5Ec152a0ad71c1c0957660088fcdc60eb1765d2eae%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdirectorblue.blogspot.com%2F

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You really don't want me. If any Democrats had done that I would be calling for indictment and trial 🤔


I'm not cultists like you were before you fell in love with Trump

Anonymous said...

The Keep Inflation burning 🔥 Law.

"Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that the Democrats' so-called Inflation Reduction Act will lower costs for Americans -- Americans who buy expensive energy-efficient products, that is.

"First of all, immediately, people will be able to lower the fuel costs in their home," Granholm told CNN's Brianna Keilar"

Yes, buy all the green wet dream crap for $150,000 and get a tax "credit".


Anonymous said...

KD.
"Classified information concealed by the government comes with colorful cover sheets."

THAT is what a pickled mind looks like in text.

C.H. Truth said...

No Roger...

Nobody really "wants" you!!!


And in fact Democrats did do this. Clinton did and and Comey did it. Even Obama took millions of document with him.

Regardless of what people "called for" or didn't "call for"....


None of those people got indicted.


So it's not a matter of opinion, Roger.


The fact that Obama was not raided, Comey was not indicted, Clintons server was not seized and she was not indicted are not in dispute and not a matter of opinion.


Would you stake your life that none of the 35 million pages of documents stored at the Chicago warehouse have a classified marking on them? I certainly wouldn't dare to stake $10 on that bet if I were you.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

All she did was to use her personal phone call 📲

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

IED is ugly

Anonymous said...

KD.
"C.H. TruthAugust 15, 2022 at 2:07 PM

No Roger...

Nobody really "wants" you!!"

Remember Roger said he was getting married , in May of this year.
Was she just a fantasy.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

FDR, like Biden, didn’t always get things right and failed on more than one occasion. As FDR famously said, “It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.” Throughout his presidency, FDR was both ambitious and laser-focused on the interests of ordinary people rather than the privileged class of what he called “economic royalists.”  

In this new legislation, as in the previous American Rescue Plan and Bipartisan Infrastructure Package, Biden is following in FDR’s footsteps in directing help where it is needed most — not to corporations and rich people, but to ordinary struggling families.   

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FDR and Congress took risks throughout the Great Depression in order to deliver for the American people. They took risks because the stakes were too high not to. Countries across the globe were falling to the empty promises of budding authoritarians throughout the 1930s. The great American experiment was on the line, as it is again now.  

We are frankly amazed that Democrats have accomplished so much for the common good with such slender congressional majorities. We think FDR would be mightily impressed — but also hyper-vigilant about the risks still lying ahead — from the health of our economy to our basic freedoms to our democracy.  

As a history geek I have been amazed by Sleepy Joe Biden 😴

Scott, why didn't Trump go after Clinton and Obama?

For the same reason why they are doing it now, it was their responsibility, not because Biden ordered them.

Fascist like you want to dismantle the federal government and replace it with a Federalist Government.

It took a civil war to get rid of slavery, but the reconstruction stalled until the 60s.

Most of the red states are going backwards. MAGA

rrb said...

Blogger Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

IED is ugly



As Lydia can attest.

All of your dime store diagnoses are really just psychological projections of yourself onto others alky. Your Intermittent Explosive Disorder bullshit is no exception.

And it's why you will die in your psychiatric hospital.


C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

Serious question here:

How many times are you going to comment on the statutes regarding classified data as if the rest of us already do not know what they are?

We all understand the three statutes that the warrant referred to and what statutes the warrant did not refer to?


Why do you continue to act as if you need to show us all that you can find a statute and cut and paste it?

C.H. Truth said...

Oh and Roger...


You are 180 degrees incorrect.

The James Comey explanation as to why Clinton was not charged is 100% relevant to this. In fact it is probably more relevant than any statute. When Comey made that statement and Lynch followed along...

They set a precedent moving forward for how Classified information could be handled without criminal prosecution. You cannot just ignore that like it didn't happen. Pretend that Hillary got the benefit of that decision from the FBI and DOJ... but that others moving forward would not.

C.H. Truth said...

All she did was to use her personal phone call 📲

Not even sure that that means Roger... but I thought I would allow it through moderation just so everyone sees what I am dealing with.

rrb said...


In this new legislation, as in the previous American Rescue Plan and Bipartisan Infrastructure Package, Biden is following in FDR’s footsteps in directing help where it is needed most — not to corporations and rich people, but to ordinary struggling families.


Right.

And every one of those 'struggling families' will enjoy an IRS audit, especially after two years of astronomical inflation and an economy now officially in recession.

Brilliant.

One does not need 87,000 new ARMED IRS agents to go after the rich, alky. There just aren't that many rich folks to begin with, and now sloppy Joe is hiring enough to fill the U of Michigan's 'Big House.'

Between weaponizing the DOJ and FBI to serve as his own personal political STASI and weaponizing the IRS to destroy the middle class, I'm not exactly sure what you expect to be left of this country one the bumbling fuck get's done destroying it.

You're so fucking stupid and out of touch it's no wonder that you're totally reliant upon copy/paste plagiarisms.



rrb said...

In this new legislation, as in the previous American Rescue Plan and Bipartisan Infrastructure Package, Biden is following in FDR’s footsteps in directing help where it is needed most — not to corporations and rich people, but to ordinary struggling families.


Right.

And every one of those 'struggling families' will enjoy an IRS audit, especially after two years of astronomical inflation and an economy now officially in recession.

Brilliant.

One does not need 87,000 new ARMED IRS agents to go after the rich, alky. There just aren't that many rich folks to begin with, and now sloppy Joe is hiring enough to fill the U of Michigan's 'Big House.'

Between weaponizing the DOJ and FBI to serve as his own personal political STASI and weaponizing the IRS to destroy the middle class, I'm not exactly sure what you expect to be left of this country one the bumbling fuck get's done destroying it.

You're so fucking stupid and out of touch it's no wonder that you're totally reliant upon copy/paste plagiarisms.



anonymous said...


"Quick" the President states "get me that paperwork to declassify the materials so that I can view them


BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Your stupidity has gotten as boundless as the fraud farmer of Kansas!!!!!!!!!! BTW....they know exactly what Obama has in the proper storage by the proper agency....You saying we don't know is more amusing than the above!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Breaking news.


The Justice Department asked a judge Monday to keep sealed the sworn affidavit underpinning last week’s extraordinary FBI search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence, a document believed to hold key details about the government’s investigation into the potential mishandling of classified materials.

Monday’s court filing was made in response to requests from multiple media outlets, including The Washington Post, seeking the affidavit’s public release. Law enforcement officials submit such documents to a judge as part of their application for a search warrant. Affidavits typically contain information addressing why authorities believe there is evidence at a certain property and other details about an investigation, including sometimes the identities of witnesses.

The Justice Department argued that releasing the affidavit could hamper its investigation and potentially harm those involved.




Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

John Bolton is saying Trump is lying about having declassified documents,
and Trump is saying the FBI stole his passport.

C.H. Truth said...

In other words...

The DOJ does not want anyone to see their justification until after the midterm elections.

They got something to hide!

C.H. Truth said...

BTW....they know exactly what Obama has in the proper storage by the proper agency....You saying we don't know is more amusing than the above!!!!!!


So Denny is saying that "they" have gone through 33 million pages of documentation stored in Obama's warehouse in Chicago???

Do you have any evidence of this... can you tell us when "they" went through all of this?

Or perhaps you could start by telling who "they" actually are?

Anonymous said...

Why was a sitting Secretary of State staying in a Russian hotel instead of the US embassy?  And, if absolutely necessary to stay in a hotel off-compound, any classified material should have been brought to the embassy for safekeeping overnight.  How about an accounting of what was in the document?  Nuclear weapons secrets maybe?

Hillary has no room to make light of Trump’s situation with silly slogans on baseball caps and T-shirts.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

They got something to hide!

No, it is normal to "hide" the identities of persons imortant to affidavits who could be harmed by their disclosure. A judge makes the determination as to whether the affidavit gives sufficient reasons for permitting an invasive investigation.

anonymous said...

So Denny is saying that "they" have gone through 33 million pages


Yes they have.and categorized....and all are safely stored in a Gov't warehouse under lock and key.......and why do you think trump taking shit is equivalent to Obama following the rules?????

Here is the evidence you are FULL OF SHIT, Scotty......

https://www.obama.org/updates/obama-presidential-archives-fact-sheet/

Obama presidential records will become subject to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests on January 20, 2022 and NARA will make presidential records available under the same standards and practices under which NARA has always administered records in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA).

NARA will process and digitize unclassified textual Presidential records under supervision of NARA archival staff on a timeline determined by FOIA requests beginning on January 20, 2022. For more information, visit NARA’s Barack Obama Presidential Library website.

A Library for the Digital Age
Presidential Libraries have evolved over the years, and even as the volume of electronic records has grown over time, NARA’s Obama Presidential Library will be the first to truly reflect the digital age. The vast majority of the records from the Obama presidency were born-digital—for an estimated 95 percent of the records, there never was a paper version.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...


What's amazing is that Biden is arming his IRS agents with AR15s.

87,000 agents new agents

How many is that per billionaire ?

or are they aiming somewhere else?

Guess that will help the jobs number

but where the hell will they even find that many

Well maybe the drug cartels will be able to provide people with experience

at least with AR15s

Banana Republic



Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

They got something to hide.

No,
“The DOJ is particularly concerned that the release of details from the affidavit might harm ongoing efforts to interview witnesses, given the threats to federal agents in wake of the Mar-a-Lago search.”

As usual.

Anonymous said...

The bottom line is that the deep state has been protecting Hillary and Obama for decades because they hate the orange monster.

The birth certificate is the best fake in history.

We will eliminate all of them after we get DeSantis elected by any means


Anonymous said...

The feds are violating the First Amendment rights because he supports Trump

Federal prosecutors charged a Pennsylvania man on Monday with posting multiple violent threats against the F.B.I. online in the days that followed the bureau’s search of former President Donald J. Trump’s private club and residence in Florida.

Online censorship

Get the Congress and impeach him and the cumswallower Harris too.


C.H. Truth said...

No, it is normal to "hide" the identities of persons imortant

Sure Reverend...

That is what "redacting" portions of document would do and why there are redactions.

You could still provide the underlying reasoning for WHY they did what they did based on that Affidavit without providing any identities.

It's an excuse... sorry you are falling for it.

C.H. Truth said...

Yes they have.and categorized....and all are safely stored in a Gov't warehouse under lock and key.....

He took them to a warehouse in Chicago. Maybe they moved them after the fact.

Obama presidential records will become subject to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests on January 20, 2022 and NARA will make presidential records available under the same standards and practices under which NARA has always administered records in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA).

Hmmmm... so Obama leaves his office in Jan of 2017 and his records were finally made available 5 years later?

But Trump has been out of office for a little over a year and the FBI is raiding his home to garner the same information?

Deep State Detective said...



They hate the best ever

(Washington, DC) – Following Judicial Watch’s Tuesday court filing seeking release of all Trump raid warrant materials, the Biden Justice Department filed a motion offering to unseal certain warrant materials absent objection from former President Trump. On August 9, Judicial Watch filed its motion asking the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida to unseal as soon as possible the search warrant materials used by the FBI to raid President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home in Florida (U.S. v. Sealed Search Warrant (No. 9:22-mj-08332)).

The new Justice Department filing states:

The government hereby requests that the Court unseal the Notice of Filing and its attachment
(Docket Entry 17), absent objection by former President Trump. The attachment to that
Notice consists of:

The search warrant signed and approved by the Court on August 5, 2022, including
Attachments A and B; andThe redacted Property Receipt listing items seized pursuant to the search, filed with the Court on August 11, 2022

***

The press and the public enjoy a qualified right of access to criminal and judicial proceedings and the judicial records filed therein.

“Judicial Watch legal pressure forced this important first step by the Biden Justice Department to disclose Attorney General Garland’s role in the abusive Trump raid and other urgent information to the American people,” stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “It remains to be seen exactly what documents are ultimately released about this unprecedented, reckless and dangerous raid on the home of former President Trump.”

Deep State Detective said...

Judicial Watch has taken a leading role in uncovering the Obama/Deep State spying and other abuses targeting Trump world.

In May 2020, Judicial Watch litigation uncovered the “electronic communication” (EC) that officially launched the counterintelligence investigation, termed “Crossfire Hurricane,” of President Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. The document was written by Strzok.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The bottom line is that the former president is the first president to try and overturn a legal election on..


And he is trying to be the first Fascist President in history.

Millions of people who are well educated have been committed to preventing the other side from gaining control by voting for our leaders the foundation of the United States of America and for which it stands for all people regardless of religion or racial heritage.

I firmly believe that we will prevail by voting. And trusting the institutions that have kept us together for almost three centuries.

The Attorney General Merrick Garland will charge him for one, two or three of the charges before the election.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You publish this crazy shit

Judicial Watch has taken a leading role in uncovering the Obama/Deep State spying and other abuses targeting President Trump and his associates.

Recently, Judicial Watch sued the DOJ for records ordered declassified and released by President Trump the day before he left office.  The records relate to “Crossfire Hurricane,” the controversial spy operation against President Trump, his 2016 presidential campaign, and other Trump associates, and have yet to be made public by the Biden administration.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

Are you back to drinking?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

3,023 days one day at a time.

How many days have you been addicted to Trump?

Anonymous said...

So confident is the permanent D.C. bureaucracy in its abilities to control all Americans that it no longer disguises its two-tiered "justice" system or pretends it cares a whit about hard fought American freedom.  Raiding the personal residence of political "outsider" President Trump to intimidate other prospective adversaries to Washington's corrupt Uniparty?  Check.  Murdering, hunting down, and imprisoning MAGA voters under the pretense of a bogus "insurrection" narrative supported by an equally corrupt news media and criminal "justice" system?  Check.  Hiring massive armies of IRS agents and other bureaucratic mercenaries to execute deadly force against American citizens while simultaneously cataloguing gun-owners in an ongoing effort to disarm the civilian population?  Check.  Using the "climate change" farce and fantasies of "systemic racism" to implement widespread political Marxism and economic redistribution of wealth indistinguishable from classic communism?  Check.  Intentionally subverting immigration law to flood American communities with drugs, human-trafficking, slave labor, and social disintegration?  Check.  Manipulating elections with fraudulent mail-in ballots and scant identification requirements?  Check.  Printing and spending U.S. dollars until inflation and inevitable currency collapse destroy Americans' private wealth and leave them entirely dependent upon government-dispersed welfare?  Check.  Attacking religiously devout Christians as threats to the State?  Check.  Censorship of all dissenting opinion, confiscation of private property under the guise of tax and regulation authorities, Soviet show trials, and politically sanctioned professional demotions for anyone courageous enough to challenge the regime's power?  Check, check, check, and check!

Anonymous said...

KD

Pres Joe Failure can't find His Recession.

Empire State manufacturing index Aug. Down 31.3.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He would follow through with MAGA

Every single political federal government agency would become a branch of the White House and under control of the President.

https://wapo.st/3pnS9OY

One day paper ballots only.

Eliminate the Department of Education.

And many more fascist than expected.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He is actually telling people to take action like domestic violence in response to the FBI search.

He told Fox News Digital in an article published at 9:40 a.m. ET: "People are so angry at what is taking place. Whatever we can do to help — because the temperature has to be brought down in the country. If it isn't, terrible things are going to happen."