Given the FBI went to Mar-a-Lago previously. Given that they were allowed to search the documents in question and apparently were there for several hours. Given that they found and took approximately half of the 300 documents in question.
How is it that they missed the other half of those documents?
Moreover, Considering that the FBI was asking for the storage locker to have new locks installed, and asking for the video feed outside the locker. It seems pretty obvious in retrospect that they "knew" that they left documents behind?
How is it that they missed the other half of those documents?
Now obviously the former President of the United States was not going to personally go through boxes and boxes of materials that were packed up (for him) and shipped (for him) to this location. Certainly the FBI had to know that he was not going to go through these boxes personally, especially after the FBI had spent hours previously going through them?
How is it that they missed the other half of those documents?
It is not like there were "new" documents being put there. Every box of documents were there for the FBI to have gone through previously. The boxes they went through on the 30 agent raid were the same boxes that the FBI previously went through?
How is it that they missed the other half of those documents?
When they got a warrant to go back and perform their armed raid of the ex-President's home they had to have shown good cause that they were sure that documents were there? But if they were so sure that the documents were there after previously searching for them (and apparently finding many).
How is it that they missed the other half of those documents?
Does anyone have a good explanation for this?
Because it's almost as if they purposely left documents behind.
47 comments:
KD .
An outstanding post.
"MyballsinthewoodsagainAugust 23, 2022 at 8:06 AM
We're now learning that our fascist dementia president lied when he said the Whitehouse had no involvement in the Trump documents investigation and raid. We've learned that in fact, it began st the Whitehouse with their Whitehouse counsel sending a letter unilaterally removing Trump executives privilege so the doj could then start going after Trump yet again.
This is absolutely outrageous. And yet, the big tv networks won't report it."
Because it's almost as if they purposely left documents behind.
You really believe that the FBI framed Trump.
His spokesman Solomon framed this as President Joe Biden taking a more direct role than previously known in Justice Department's investigation of classified materials at Mar-a-Lago, the letter actually shows how Biden deferred all decisions regarding executive privilege assertions entirely to top DOJ lawyers.
Once again, Ch (and I suppose you will refuse to post this too) AFTER the FBI had taken the first cache of documents away, advisers of Trump repeatedly told him he was still in possession of other classified documents that he needed to turn over to the FBI and he refused, saying "They're not theirs, they're mine."
REPORT: Memos Show Joe Biden Tried to Entrap Donald Trump Over 'Classified' Documents
A new report is shedding light on exactly how the DOJ investigation into Donald Trump over supposed “classified documents” at Mar-a-Lago got started. The FBI recently raided the former president’s Florida home, claiming possible violations of the Espionage Act and other national security concerns.
What flowed after the unprecedented action was a series of coordinated leaks from inside the government meant to make Trump look guilty of crimes. But how did things get that far?
Apparently, it started with the National Archives, which is run by a partisan hack who decided to treat Trump differently from all other presidents before him. When Barack Obama took millions of pages of documents, including many that were undoubtedly classified, upon leaving office, the National Archives gave him a sweetheart deal allowing him to digitize everything at a later date (none of that has happened all these years later and surprise, no raid). Heck, there are presidents whose libraries still haven’t returned requested documents decades after their deaths. For Trump, though, the National Archives didn’t even give him a year before running to the DOJ to push for a criminal investigation.
Tuesday Funny
Trump's current legal team includes Christina Bobb, a former host on the right-wing One America News; Lindsey Halligan, a Florida insurance lawyer; Alina Habba, who was once the general counsel for a parking garage firm;
AG Garland refuses to release the Affidavit.
Biden is conducting an illegal persecution of President Trump.
The Biden/Obama/Harris flaw was they are using many of the same internal criminals in the intelligence community to do this farce.
Hey Reverend...
As I stated on the other thread.
Roger has the legacy blog that he can create posts for.
You and Roger are free to cut and paste all day long without any moderation and anyone who wants to see what the two of you are up to are free to go over there and read all the latest from Politicalwire.com or whatever.
No skin off my teeth!
One little problem with 1:50:
Obama did not "take" documents to a private home. They did not remain in Obama's possession.
Trump's current legal team includes Christina Bobb, a former host on the right-wing One America News; Lindsey Halligan, a Florida insurance lawyer; Alina Habba, who was once the general counsel for a parking garage firm;
From Andrew McCarthy
The good news for former president Donald Trump is that he has recently retained competent defense lawyers: experienced former federal prosecutors, Jim Trusty and Evan Corcoran, who know how the Justice Department works, and therefore where the DOJ is going with its criminal investigations (yes, that’s investigations, plural) — and where it may have stepped out of bounds in the Mar-a-Lago search.
Bobb is a face... someone Trump wants to put front and center for publicity reasons. The real attorneys are working in the background.
btw..
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=bhBe%2f2Ja&id=8632F3109D68C16AF973FA3FF3B10C56DDC31CE8&thid=OIF.H7wQ%2bo7pldq4sqsK7GrBhw&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fcdn.statically.io%2fimg%2fwww.newsunzip.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2022%2f08%2fChristina-Bobb.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.6e105eff625a64df63bcc8bc0fee74a0%3frik%3d%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=500&expw=700&q=christina+bobb&simid=7036979100006&FORM=IRPRST&ck=1FBC10FA8EE995DAB8B2AB0AEC6AC187&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0
I repeat, Ch:
My own words:
AFTER the FBI had taken the first cache of documents away, advisers of Trump repeatedly told him he was still in possession of other classified documents that he needed to turn over to the FBI and he refused, saying "They're not theirs, they're mine."
THAT'S what makes your statement
at the end of your previous article look so incredibly dumb:
You said,
"We have no idea if he [Trump] even wanted any of these documents in his possession or even knew what was there."
Oh yes, he knew. His advisers kept telling him he was running a risk.
Obama did not "take" documents to a private home.
They were sent to a warehouse in Chicago... where Obama lives and where the National Archives has no offices.
While they claim "today" that they are under "their control" the actual reality is that they struck and agreement with Obama giving him several years to digitalize the 33 million documents. The National Archives has no physical control over the documents. That is a general play on semantics.
Obama took documents. He stored them in an empty warehouse in Chicago. It makes no difference that they were there under his authority and not in his house under his authority.
Justice has been served
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Are you claiming Obama was going to go into the archives himself and digitalize 33 million documents? I thought it was understood the Archives people would take care of that.
The National Archives has no physical control over the documents. That is a general play on semantics.
0linsky is supposedly building his "library" somewhere in that crime-ridden shithole known as Chicago. Until then those 33 MILLION documents reside in some warehouse in Chicago. Technically 0linsky 'took' them. Technically they are in 'his' possession if they're in 'his' warehouse.
Semantics is all the pederast knows how to play. That and the most absurdly stupid questions imaginable. Like when the USSC will overturn the rights of blacks and women to vote.
The pederast is a true piece of shit, though not quite as mentally ill as the alky.
Both deserve to be banished to the hospice blog for a significant period of time. Long enough for serious commenters to want to return and remain.
AFTER the FBI had taken the first cache of documents away, advisers of Trump repeatedly told him he was still in possession of other classified documents that he needed to turn over to the FBI and he refused, saying "They're not theirs, they're mine."
So in your own words means that you "saw and heard" Donald Trump repeatedly tell someone else all of this nonsense?
Since you claim that this is your own insight. Can you tell us specifically what advisors you heard say this?
Are you claiming Obama was going to go into the archives himself and digitalize 33 million documents? I thought it was understood the Archives people would take care of that.
The National Archives offices are in DC.
The warehouse is in Chicago.
Why would the National Archives decide to move all these materials (that are supposedly in their control) to a warehouse 700 miles away if they were going to be responsible for going through them?
Since you claim that this is your own insight. Can you tell us specifically what advisors you heard say this?
None.
He makes shit up out of whole cloth and then demands YOU disprove/refute/defend.
His shit has gotten very old. Let him and the alky fellate each other on the hospice blog.
KD.
Roger has no knowledge of the Past
"You really believe that the FBI framed Trump."
Well, Obama/Biden spied on President Trump.
Used fake dossier to spy on President Trump.
The FBI has a well known and established history.
"Vindman 2.0"
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/15/from-bureaucrat-hack-to-grand-jury-witch-hunt-the-dojs-trump-raid-smells-like-spygate/
Conspiracy theory addiction is apparent every day
You really want the answer, Ch? Because that's where Obama's library will be. Read this, although it's taken from a source:
_________
Tens of thousands of Obama's documents were transported to Chicago. But these items were shipped to a federal government facility — which is what's supposed to happen with a president's records. Federal law requires that presidents and their administrations keep a detailed collection of emails, documents, and even gifts from their time in office since all of those things are actually the property of the American people.
In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which is the standard legal process.
On Friday, the National Archives took it upon itself to further dispel Trump's claims.
"NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA," the archives said in a statement. "Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration."
There's also this:
A National Archives letter to Trump's lawyers in May outlined the urgency of Mar-a-Lago document inquiry
USA TODAY
Look it up.
You really believe that other people tell me what to think or say 🤔.
The tribalism is why a lot of people think about that but we have evolved mostly away but not everyone has moved forward .
They believe that the National Archives are part of the deep state bureaucrats who hate the Orange Monster 👻
The Republican Party of Trump is a classic fascist party..
Again... no records on the National Archive site as having a "warehouse" in Chicago. They have a national archives "center" there and the website explains exactly what is there and what can be viewed. But it is not a warehouse, it is not big enough to store 33 million items and it does not suggest that they have anything to do with any records for Obama.
This is a semantic argument where NARA is claiming to have taken control of Obama's records that are stored in a warehouse in Chicago. Again...when a President leaves office they remove their own records. Obama did what Trump and every other President did when they left office. They packed up their records and took them with them.
and yes... for those of you wondering. The person in charge of the National Archives is a partisan actor.
Ya know, I don't particularly like Trump. He's a bull in a China shop. He's that office coworker who thrives on drama that we all get tired of. But he did have some very effective policies, in all areas. I don't really want another term of all the arguing and fighting. But even hr is entitled to due process, to a justice department that will treat him fairly, to sn fbi that is not obsessed with 'getting him' any way they can. It's just not right.
KD.
WTF is this ?
"The tribalism is why a lot of people think about that but we have evolved mostly away but not everyone has moved forward ." Wife Abuser Roger.
Next on deck to Damage Home Budgets.
BIDENOMICS Heat Tax.
Heating oil and Natural Gas prices will make Americans shiver.
The tribalism is why a lot of people think about that but we have evolved mostly away but not everyone has moved forward .
What a load of mindless gibberish.
Isn't it mashed nanna time alky?
Scotty's 4:24 post......pure unadulterated bullshit.....
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Phone: 773-948-9001
Email: chicago.archives@nara.gov
Hours
The research room at the National Archives at Chicago is open by appointment only, Monday-Friday, 9:00 am - 4:00 pm.
Please email chicago.archives@nara.gov for more information or to request a research room appointment.
Pull Times
Boxes of records will be pulled in advance.
Okay Denny...
Why don't you just roll on over to that location and ask for Obama's records?
Let's see where that gets you, sport!
btw... do you think if the records were held at the listed building that they would be referring to a "facility" rather than just saying they are in the National Archives building in Chicago?
Oh and lastly... Ace!
That facility literally states that they hold historical records received by Federal Agencies and Federal courts in Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Ohio. Subjects include Native Americans, railroads, automotive industry and records from WWI and WWII
but hey... nice try!
Learn more about NARA’s work to make the archive available digitally and how artifacts and records will be made available at the future Obama Presidential Center. All of the official presidential records of the Obama administration are owned and managed by NARA.
Sorry asshole....the place is called National Archieves for a reason which seems to beyond your grasp!!!! As I have posted before...the Obama papers are not available to the public yet and are resident at the Chicago site!!!!!
Keep digging Scotty you are certainly on a long string of being wrong!!!!!
Learn more about NARA’s work to make the archive available digitally and how artifacts and records will be made available at the future Obama Presidential Center.
Amazing isn't it Denny!
That Obama has been out of office for close to six years and his records "will" be made available... but of course, the National Archives had had full control the whole time. I guess they are simply incompetent to not have these records available yet, huh?
6 years and we still cannot see Obama's records?
But they had to Raid Donald Trump's home with 30 armed Federal agents because they just ran out of patience with how slow the documentation exchanges were happening?
And he was out of office 4 years less than Obama.
But hey... I know it is the Math guy in me that makes this seem sort of hard to swallow. But go ahead and believe whatever you want!
Some lawyers believe that he has indicted himself.
A day after Donald Trump sued to stop the Justice Department from reviewing records seized at Mar-a-Lago, a federal judge appeared to join other legal experts in their bafflement over what specifically Trump was looking for.
Trump's lawsuit was widely scorned by former federal prosecutors and other legal scholars, who said the filing was lacking fundamental elements, such as exhibits, sworn affidavits, or a viewpoint on how a judge should approach the issues raised.
In interviews and on social media, legal experts said the lawsuit was more akin to a press release with the way it aired Trump's grievances against the Justice Department and described the former president as the "clear frontrunner" in the 2024 Republican primary.
On Tuesday, Judge Aileen Cannon, who was appointed to the bench by Trump and confirmed in 2020, seemed equally unsure of what to make of his lawsuit. Cannon asked the former president's lawyers to further explain what they wanted and how they believed the court should approach their request.
Because the government owns them
Don't forget this!
The Doctor Who Exposed Fauci’s Fallacies and Got Harassed and Fired from HHS for Telling the Truth
Dr. Paul Elias Alexander was a well-credentialed, internationally known epidemiologist invited by Trump administration officials to be part of the COVID 19 response team at the White House in April of 2020. He packed up his family, leaving a secure and prominent position in Canada to move to Washington, DC.
But then he criticized the public health mandates by Drs. Fauci, Collins, and Birx, and showed them research that proved they were wrong about lockdowns, school closings, masking, and social distancing.
Following that, he was silenced, harassed, and then fired.
The Trump White House staff and leadership knew what was happening but did nothing to stop the Fauci and NIH/CDC-led deep state malefactors
Doctor Kputz
Biden, instead, is more like Harry Truman—a longtime senator who ascended to power at a time of national crisis. At his best, Biden offers calm competence. Which is why Klain and other top White House officials should stop overhyping Biden as a modern-day Franklin Roosevelt. Instead, they should honestly portray Biden as a good man—like Truman, and unlike Trump—doing his best in terrible times.
Roger...
Trump ask for a special master to look through the seized materials to determine the relevancy to the underlying affidavit and warrant. Their job is to make sure the FBI is not looking at anything that is irrelevant to their original search. The design is to prevent so called "fishing expeditions" where the FBI just grabs a bunch of materials and looks through it all hoping to find something that is not in the warrant.
I guess I have to question the legitimacy of anyone claiming to both a legal expert but not understand what a special master is? I mean if "I" know what it is... then why the hell would a real lawyer not?
I would also question the idea that the "judge" did not know what to make of the request of a special master.
These are not unusual... and quite frankly "REAL" attorneys like McCarthy and Turley are "baffled" by why the DOJ did not appoint one themselves right off the bat, why they didn't appoint one when asked previously by Trump.
In other words real attorneys believe that the Trump filing asking for a special master is not just reasonable but should have already been done by the DOJ without having to be asked.
Most feel that the Judge should grant the request.
If it is not granted, then there will be an appeal. Eventually grown up people might end up take a look at this (USSC).
But as McCarthy has suggested from the start... this is a fishing expedition and the refusal to appoint a special master is more proof of that.
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Trump's inner circle knew the White House documents were a 'big problem' and worried since June that the former president was getting himself into legal trouble: report
2 hours ago
Evan Corcoran leaves a federal court in Washington D.C. on July 11. The National Archives and Records Administration wrote to Corcoran notifying Trump and his team that the FBI will begin reviewing a batch of documents that were returned back in January. Jose Luis Magana/AP
The National Archives notified Trump's attorneys that the FBI would review White House records after weeks of delay.Trump's lawyers previously requested time to review documents, claiming executive privilege.Trump's inner circle anticipated that "Mar-a-Lago is a big problem," The Washington Post reported.
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People close to Donald Trump worried that the former president was getting himself into legal trouble, weeks before the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago to seize official White House documents, according to a new report from The Washington Post.
Since June, about a month after the National Archives and Records Administration notified Trump's team that federal investigators would begin reviewing a batch of records that were returned at the beginning of the year, Trump's attorneys feared a mounting legal disaster for the former president.
One person in Trump's circle said "Mar-a-Lago is a big problem," according to The Post.
Trump and his attorneys knew the FBI was about to get involved with the documents debacle since April, based on a May 10 letter between the National Archives and Tump's attorneys.
Debra Steidel, acting archivist for the National Archives, told Trump's lawyers, including Evan Corcoran, that she would allow the FBI to review the batch of documents Trump returned in January, following weeks of delay.
"It has now been four weeks since we first informed you of our intent to provide the FBI access to the boxes so that it and others in the Intelligence Community can conduct their reviews," Steidel wrote.
Trump's attorneys previously asked for more time to review the documents to see if any of them fell within the purview of executive privilege, according to the letter.
However, Steidel wrote that the assistant attorney general has helped determine that "there is no basis for the former President to make a 'protective assertion of executive privilege.'"
"I have therefore decided not to honor the former President's "protective" claim of privilege," Steidel wrote. "For the same reasons, I have concluded that there is no reason to grant your request for a further delay before the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community begin their reviews."
FBI officials would raid Trump's Mar-a-Lago home on August 8. The letter revealed that Trump had taken more than 700 pages of classified documents.
A spokesperson for Trump did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.
Donald Trump appeared to concede in his court filing surrounding the seizure of materials from his Florida resort that he unlawfully retained official government documents, as the former president argued that some of the documents collected by the FBI could be subject to executive privilege.
FBI searched Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home for classified nuclear weapons documents – report
The motion submitted on Monday by the former president’s lawyers argued that a court should appoint a so-called special master to separate out and determine what materials the justice department can review as evidence due to privilege issues.
But the argument from Trump that some of the documents are subject to executive privilege protections indicates that those documents are official records that he is not authorized to keep and should have turned over to the National Archives at the end of the administration.
The motion, in that regard, appeared to concede that Trump violated one of the criminal statutes listed on the warrant used by the FBI to search the former president’s Mar-a-Lago resort – 18 USC 2071 – concerning the unlawful removal of government records.
On topic
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/23/trump-illegal-documents-fbi-mar-a-lago
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I agree it's just not right for the Justice Department to repeatedly request any further documents that the ex President was holding personally that he was not supposed to be holding personally, not fair that they finally had to get legal permission to conduct a raid, the probably cause of which was eye witness evidence that Trump still had documents he was saying he did not have.
I agree it's not fair that the Justice Department was forced to go so far as to request the FBI to intervene.
Not fair to us the people.
When there are clear indications that laws are not being followed, a "fishing expedition" is entirely in order to determine whether those indications are correct.
Especially when a judge finds probably cause for such an "expedition."
Reverend...
So you actually believe that a "fishing expedition" which is basically legal slag for an abuse of the 4th amendment... is "justified"?
Search warrants are never ever legally supposed to grant a fishing expedition. The entire point is to limit a search to the specific items listed in the warrant. Which is why the "Special Master" was necessary from the beginning and the refusal to grant one might come back to bite them.
That being said...
Thank you for showing your true colors!
You really should live in a socialist country like Russia!
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